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Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - MSD

The enquirer who's just started using fog lights when it's raining is breaking the law unless visibility is seriously reduced, which the Highway Code suggests is less than 100 metres (328 feet):

226 You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet).
You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).

236 You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.

When it's raining, approaching a car with its front fog lights on can dazzle you, but the effect is far worse coming up behind a car with its rear fog(s) on, even when it's dry - at worst, you can be nearly blinded, especially if your windscreen hasn't been cleaned for a while, and/or you have a heated windscreen with its fine wire element showing (until recently basically Fords, soon to be more widespread I believe). As the Highway Code notes, you can also miss brake lights going on, depending upon the car's rear lighting configuration. At best, you get unpleasant eye strain, especially if you're stationary behind the vehicle in a traffic queue.

That must all sound like a statement of the obvious to experienced/careful drivers, but it's depressingly common to find thoughtless drivers using fogs unnecessarily - and illegally. If only there were still police around to stop them. Rant over.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Hamsafar

What was HJ's reply? I missed that issue.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - countryroads

A few years ago I got pulled over for having front fogs on in the day, we were younger then and it was cool! Anyway, I could tell I would be let off with just a chat, he was driving a Peugeot 307 panda car and therefore had several bulbs out!

I have never been dazzled by front fogs, partly due to the fact that by design they pretty much point down! I generally find old folks dithering about with the rear switched on to be more of an annoyance frankly and dont get me started on people who cant switch high beam properly, much worse...

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Happy Blue!

I got pulled years ago in the CIty of London with the front fogs on duing a bright winters day. The car I was driving did not turn them automatically when you turned the engine off last tiem you drive the car. BMW 730i I think.

Just a polite request to turn them off.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Bobbin Threadbare

I have never been dazzled by front fogs, partly due to the fact that by design they pretty much point down! I generally find old folks dithering about with the rear switched on to be more of an annoyance frankly and dont get me started on people who cant switch high beam properly, much worse...

That's the annoying bit - the rear ones, because it looks like brake lights from far away.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Avant

Most annoying of all is the people who think they need rear foglights in heavy rain.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - MikeTorque

Yes, the heavy rain can't see where it's going.

But seriously, is there a solution other than continuing to nag those you irresponsibly & illegally use front/rear fog lights ?

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Bilboman

There is nothing to be done with drivers who are ignorant, forgetful, stubborn and simply stupid: I've seen drivers stop for fuel on a clear summer's afternoon, fill up, pay, return to their car with all lights blazing (meaning that the ignition key was left partly engaged throughout, DOH!) and drive off oblivious.
The MB-style rotary switch, which requires a conscious double pull to switch front and rear fogs on, has caught on with a lot of manufacturers and it is a good system and almost idiot-proof, BUT I've known drivers to turn the headlights on then furiously yank at the switch as though to prevent a subsequent unintended switching-off, so it's foglights all the way, rain or shine. (I'm guessing it's the same sort of driver who slams a car door every time with the fury of a cuckolded baboon.)
Manufacturers also have some of the blame with frequently misleading and confusing minor controls -
every tried to work out the front/rear foglight on/off sequence of a hired Renault - the one with the missing instruction manual - on the one foggy day of the year? Utterly unintuitive and confusing, brilliant job.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - 72 dudes

I also hate the use of rear fogs in the slightest drizzle.

The use of front foglights should be reserved for when visibility is poor due to, err, fog.

However...... too many people think "Hey, I look cool with these on".

And now, with the advent of daytime running lights on all new cars, often in the same location as front fog lights, and sometimes bling bling LED shapes, how is the incorrect use of foglights to be 'policed'? They look the same!!

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - countryroads

And of course the slightly strange trend of cornering lamps which are basically useless too when its just a fog lamp coming on! The most offensive is Range Rover and Sport where it is the right at eye level sidelight that becomes like the sun for a normal car driver!

Old American cars that had seperate lamps in the front wings pointing sideways to illuminate roadsigns werent so bad though.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - RT

If visibility is bad enough to need fog lights, front and/or rear, then it's bad enough to slow down. Perhaps cars should have an automatic 50mph limiter that cuts in if fog lights are switched on.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - 72 dudes

If visibility is bad enough to need fog lights, front and/or rear, then it's bad enough to slow down. Perhaps cars should have an automatic 50mph limiter that cuts in if fog lights are switched on.

Yes, that'll learn 'em.

If this was Facebook, I'd have just pressed "Like".

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Happy Blue!

And of course the slightly strange trend of cornering lamps which are basically useless too when its just a fog lamp coming on! The most offensive is Range Rover and Sport where it is the right at eye level sidelight that becomes like the sun for a normal car driver!

Actually these are good. I have them on my S-Max and you get a much better view of the corners on a dark night. The lower level ones are a waste of time, but the ones fitted into teh headlight assembly are excellent.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Mike H

Most annoying of all is the people who think they need rear foglights in heavy rain.

I can't agree with that as a blanket statement. If the rain is particularly, then it can help following traffic to pick out vehicles. Obviously, if it's that heavy, then you should be slowing down, but it's certainly not always wrong to use rear foglights in heavy rain. Perhaps the missing ingredient is common sense regarding conditions?

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Rats

I received an amusing tweet from Hampshire Roads Police a few weeks back, they were suggesting people used fog lights during a period of heavy rain and the associated spray, I replied PDQ, saying I thought that fogs should only be used when visibilty was less than 100m, never got a reply, but they re-tweeted shortly afterwards recinding their advice, good to see that the Judge, Jury & Executioner in most mosoring offences knows their stuff!!!!

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - davecooper

I don't think some people are aware of what front fogs are for, i.e. for illuminating the road and kerb close to the car in exteme conditions where headlights are of little use. I believe they think it is so other people can see them. This is the job of the rear fogs, your headlights will be seen by oncoming traffic

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Ed V

Yes, I loved driving my Mini with its full set of 4 central 'fog' lights, and two headlights. So cool.

If I was held up at traffic lights too long, the tiny battery would have died on me.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Bilboman

Front foglights are one of the most useless car accessories - ever! Decades ago German cars (especially MB) fitted them at headlight level and in their home country they were designed to be used in tandem with sidelights and offered a better view forward thanks to a sharply cut off beam, much wider than dip, which is rendered superfluous.
Modern headlights mostly cover this function, but the insistence on almost universal fitting of front fogs - low down, where they are next to useless and much more likely to get dirty and suffer damage from stone chips and careless parking - baffles me. The beam "dies" after a few metres, unless there are the puddles of recent rain, which reflect the light up straight at oncoming drivers. Front fogs are also useless in rain and snow. Their one demonstrably useful function - lighting up the kerbs - does not usefully increase the maximum practical speed, which is around 15-20 mph in the dense type of fog for which they were designed.
Major rethink needed. Perhaps automatic fog detection circuitry is already under development and will eventualy lead to the fully automatic operation of these largely useless ornaments.

Edited by Bilboman on 15/01/2013 at 16:59

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - Collos25

Driving at 20mph in thick fog is asking for trouble.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - peg

I don't think some people are aware of what front fogs are for, i.e. for illuminating the road and kerb close to the car in exteme conditions where headlights are of little use. I believe they think it is so other people can see them. This is the job of the rear fogs, your headlights will be seen by oncoming traffic

I agree but, there are two many drivers who won't switch on headlights until it's pitch black-even on motorway. There are even more who are unaware that wipers require dipped headlights as far too many drive on parking lights in poor light.

Use of fogs - question replied to by Honest John - MikeTorque

I saw one of those semi-brain dead drivers today, Male around 20 got into his car and drove off from the chip shop without any lights around 6pm so it was well dark. His dark coloured car was invisible and the roads were like sheet ice.