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Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - jammcg
Hi

Great start to 2013...

My Renault Scenic has failed to start. Initially the car stated "low oil pressure" and "hand brake failure" with a loud beep. The engine hardly tried to turn over and instead the engine fan run for ages.

The engine after it was left for a while was attempted again and once again I got the fault light as well as practically every fault light going. The car also thanked me by locking me within the vehicle for around 5minutes. I then tried jump starting the car to no avail.

I eventually gave up and called the AA. The mechanic although very helpful wasn't hugely sure with the problem as it was only a guess from his on board computer but he suggested a possible earthing fault. He managed to get the car going by using a jump pack and earthing against the engine (I think). Apparently the battery showed normal readings initially but then also showed spikes which would again possibly suggest earthing problems. All major earthing points checked over but didn't fix the problem.

Well the car once again won't start, was planning on getting an auto mechanic out or, fingers crossed get it to a mechanic I know... car permitting.

My questions are;

Is this a common fault?
Is it likely to reoccur?
Will it be expensive to put right?

Advice sorely needed!
Thanks in advance!
Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - elekie&a/c doctor

The fact that the AA man got it going with a jump pack tends to suggest that the battery is in trouble.Modern cars do some weird things on the electronics when the battery voltage gets too low.hth

Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - jammcg
Would that mean possibly a new battery would sort the issue? or maybe just charging the existing one?
Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - AndyT

As stated, the battery needs checking, should ideally be over 12.5 volts.

If you have a 12v test lamp or meter, I would connect it to the Alternaor or Starter Motor main Positive connection, and earth the other probe on the engine block/ Alternator casing/ Starter Motor, where ever, for ease of connecting. Check voltage is same as battery, then switch on ignition, check voltage level again (glow plugs will drop reading for few seconds), then try starting the engine, voltage shouldn't drop much below about 9 volts while cranking.

Main point is to prove no lost voltage to engine from battery, through main positive or earth cables. Just some basic fault checking.

Edited by AndyT on 01/01/2013 at 11:50

Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - Galad

Is this a common fault?
Is it likely to reoccur?
Will it be expensive to put right?

I hate to give you bad news at the start of 2013, but if my FiL's experience of this car is anything to go by, the mistake you've made is to buy a diesel Renault.......electronics can be an expensive piece of standard equipment!

Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - jammcg
Right, so changing the battery didn't work at all. Same error messages coming up regardless of the fact that the battery was new.

Going to have it looked at professionally but any ideas suggestions would be welcomed!
Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - elekie&a/c doctor

If it started ok with the jump pack connected to the engine,I wonder if there is a bad earth from the engine to chassis.Try connecting one jump lead from the earth side negative of battery to a good solid metal part of engine.Worth a try.hth

Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - glowplug

Hi.

First check the connections on the battery are tight and the fusable links are tight and passing power - not blown. If indoubt unbolt the various leads, clean and replace. Check the earthing to the engine and bodyshell.

Scenics are notorious for water ingress into the UPC (power protection module module) under the bonnet on the very right hand side when facing the car. Usually the scuttle drains block and water gets into this unit. The UPC is a fusebox, power distribution centre and ecu. Unfortunately this unit (along with the engine management unit and the UCH - internal body systems interface) decides if the car can be started and if there are faults can even stop the starter motor engaging.

If you're lucky a quick and easy fix is to remove the UPC cover and blow dry the module with an hair dryer for 15 minutes (don't bake it!) then if the car starts and all works fine spray the module with water displacing fluid, replace the lid, cover the module with polythene and clean out the scuttle drains. If this doesn't work it gets more involved.

If you're unlucky it's time to check all the fuses and relays or get the codes read using a dealer tool (Renault Clip) - some aftermarket diagnostic interfaces may have similar diagnostic abilities but it's a jump up from a 'code reader'. To check all the fuses you'll have to remove the UPC from it's housing which involves removing the battery (maybe the battery tray) and sliding the UPC out sideways.There's also a selection of fuses and relays under the UPC to check. If all the fuses are intact (be very sure to check the fuse holders for corrosion) you could open up the UPC to look for water/ corrosion or damaged PCB tracks, if it all looks OK the car may need a replacement UPC, these aren't coded to the car but you should get the same module type as indicated on it's sticker.

HTH.

Steve.

Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - jammcg
Thanks all.
Will get it checked over ASAP and fingers crossed up and running.
Renault Scenic 1.5 diesel 2005 model (facelift) - Electrical issues stopping car from starting - Lemmin83

Hi,

I know you oposted this a while ago, but did you ever get to the cause of the problem and find a remedy?

I am experiencing exactly the same fault messages.

Thanks in advance