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Insurance hike for girls. - fredthefifth

All the press seems to be about the insurance hike for young female drivers to make them compatible with the higher risk male group of similar age. Given that the risk for the females won't change are the insurance companies just cashing in?

I will always think it unfair but given they have to comply with the European ruling should the companies be adopting a middle ground and lowering premiums for males thereby reducing the increase for females?

I'm probably missing something!!

Insurance hike for girls. - Buster Cambelt

The European Court of Justice ruled 18 months or so ago that insurers could not use gender when pricing insurance. This cancelled an exemption that insurers had negotiated a few years earlier. The UK's Equality Act changes on 21st December to implement this.

Insurers are simply following the law and without the exemption this would have happenerd a few years earlier.

Insurance hike for girls. - dieseldogg

Simply because the "girls" had taken a gender based bias case in respect of pension annuity payments.

They won that one and thereforely unfairly signifently financaly benefitted.

But then very reasonably in light of this decision are now going to have to pay the same insurance premimums as males.

Ya boo sucks.

Insurance hike for girls. - Bobbin Threadbare

The statistics don't care what gender you are; the premium is calculated on the average known risk for that group of people. The group with the lowest risk factor just so happens to be females.

I am now wondering if my insurance company (pink, Australian based) will have to change its outlook or rebrand because of this anti-gender bias!

It would be nice to see premiums dropping, so that 'equivalent' men and women pay the same, but it's basically an excuse to hike everyone's costs.

Insurance hike for girls. - dieseldogg

Bobbin,

Not really, since it is a fiercly competitive market prices will always be controlled by compitition.

There are those unfortunately whom no company wishes to insure, or to insure the premimum would be such as to be unafforadable, but with good reason.

I would rather they clamped down on insurance fraud like spurious whiplash claims.

For some weird reason despite me and my wife and offspring being rear-ended on 4 seperate occasions, one occassion writing off the car we were in.

None of us has EVER claimed for whiplash.

4 by 4 by £5,000(nominal claim value) = £80,000.00, the insurance company owe us plus associated legal and medical costs

Insurance hike for girls. - daveyjp
My wife's renewal is due, paperwork mentions the premium is calculated with no reflection of gender. Quote is £40 (almost 20%) less than last year!
Insurance hike for girls. - unthrottled

mentions the premium is calculated with no reflection of gender

Doesn't the name and title give the name away?!

"could we have a non-gender determined quote for Mrs Daveyjp, please?"

Insurance hike for girls. - Bobbin Threadbare

mentions the premium is calculated with no reflection of gender

Doesn't the name and title give the name away?!

"could we have a non-gender determined quote for Mrs Daveyjp, please?"

Not necessarily - I can use my professional title and an initial and you can't tell what gender I am.

But then this is the point - they are still going to have to calculate your risk based on real evidence, so it seems illogical to me to ignore some of that data. It's not a true quote then.

Insurance hike for girls. - Bobbin Threadbare

Bobbin,

Not really, since it is a fiercly competitive market prices will always be controlled by compitition.


Not really to what? The price hike overall?

Insurance hike for girls. - Collos25

Bobbin,

Not really, since it is a fiercly competitive market prices will always be controlled by compitition.


Not really to what? The price hike overall?

No real competition in the UK insurance market there are very few actual companies plenty of trading names if there was real competition then people would pay a lot less.

Insurance hike for girls. - unthrottled

This is true. The only competition is in the market for accidents that weren't your fault.

I think this might be a watershed for ECHR idiocy: start off with a predetermined notion of fairness, ignore all the empirical evidence to the contrary, and manipulate the law to try to realise the desired outcome. The entire concept of positive discrimination appals me-all discrimination is positive, depending on which side of it you happen to be on.

Insurance hike for girls. - Buster Cambelt

This is true. The only competition is in the market for accidents that weren't your fault.

I think this might be a watershed for ECHR idiocy: start off with a predetermined notion of fairness, ignore all the empirical evidence to the contrary, and manipulate the law to try to realise the desired outcome. The entire concept of positive discrimination appals me-all discrimination is positive, depending on which side of it you happen to be on.

It's the ECJ rather than the ECHR. The case that resulted in the removal of the exemption was brought by "Test Achats' - the Belgian equivalent of Which? (who are doubtless moaning like hell about the decision right now).

The Association of British Insurers (ABI) has some good information on ts website for thise who want the background rather than the knee-jerk rhetoric in the papers.

Yes, it's a silly idea and yes, it's cost tens of millions of pounds to comply, but it's a clasic case of the Law of Unintended Consequences running amock rather than some great EU conspiracy.

Incidentally, there is a second that affects some types of insurance much more than this one. This kicks in on January 1st and is as a result in a change of tax treatment but the papers can't blame the EU for that so you'll have read next to nothing about it.

Insurance hike for girls. - Engineer Andy

I bet all those 18 yo males driving around in pimped up Saxos are rubbing their hands together in glee (and those doing the mods, 'cos they'll be able to afford even more now to pretend their 1 litre jobbie is a 1.6 VTS).

Insurance hike for girls. - fredthefifth

So the lower risk group will be paying more even though the risk is unchanged, so the profits will rise or male premiums should fall.

Lets see.

Insurance hike for girls. - jamie745

I think I'm right in saying this whole thing actually kicked off due to women getting a 'worse' deal on pensions (because they live longer) and the motor insurance angle was something of an accidental oversight.

Insurance hike for girls. - RT

I think I'm right in saying this whole thing actually kicked off due to women getting a 'worse' deal on pensions (because they live longer) and the motor insurance angle was something of an accidental oversight.

Yes - it's the down side of campaigning for womens equality - when they try too hard, as they have, they get equality in ways they don't want.

Insurance hike for girls. - iFocus

I've always said equality works both ways, were all human beings at the end of the day. And being male or female, black or white etc, it doesn't make the blindest bit of difference.

Although I've always wondered about statisics though regarding risk of male vs female drivers though. I'd like to know how many male drivers there are in the UK vs female drivers, the average mileage between each group, the kind of journeys each group makes and so forth. As I bet if its taken in to account more men drive, and that they drive longer distances, then of course there will be a mitigated higher risk for men driving.

To put it in to context I do 12-15000 miles a year, I work in an office but at weekends I galavant around the country during my leisure time, where as a female colleague at work drives to work and back and around town and has done less then 6000 miles a year.

Insurance hike for girls. - dieseldogg

Quite correct, the Mrs. does not and never did, enjoy driving, therefore plumps herself in the passenger seat every time (unless per another thread I have 2 or more pints)

Statistically therefore since I do about 20,000 mile a year and she, to be generous, might do 1000 miles, the odds are 20:1 more likely that I will have an accident.

But her preimium has always been lower!!!

I do also believe that I read somewhere that females have more (as in statistically numerically more) fender bender accidents, wheras the male of the specis, being genitically programmed to be a better driver, has fewer more serious accidents (also being genitically programmed to take risks)

cheers

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Insurance hike for girls. - jamie745

But her preimium has always been lower!!!

Of course it is. You're the one doing 20,000 miles, she's in the passenger seat. She can't crash into anything from the passenger seat.

Don't you just hate statistics? Can mangle them however you want to really.