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Shale power here it comes - pullgees

Natural gas from shale powering all terrestial forms of transport is coming. The US is a leader already in this innovation and market so we better get our finger out over here. Yesterday the Government lifted the ban on fracking - not too soon - while France maintains it's ban...good. That gives us an edge and a chance to kick start the economy.

The howls of protest are all over the media and airwaves. 5 Live this morning was taken over by the nay sayers and one woman broke into tears causing Nicky Cambell to check later - playing samaritan - that she was alright, . What a lot of tripe.

Lets forge ahead with this technology and give Baltic gas the finger and break our shackles with The Middle East.

Shale power here it comes - jamie745

Probably doesn't belong in motoring discussion but I agree none the less. The howls of protest from the degenerate hard left who have been bought off with millions of taxpayers money to fund windmills which don't work are quite funny.

Shale power here it comes - Bromptonaut

Probably doesn't belong in motoring discussion but I agree none the less. The howls of protest from the degenerate hard left who have been bought off with millions of taxpayers money to fund windmills which don't work are quite funny.

You won't think it's so funny when you cannot drink the water and your house is affected by subsidence.

Shale power here it comes - jamie745

You won't think it's so funny when you cannot drink the water and your house is affected by subsidence.

In case anyone was wondering this is exactly the sort of hard left, ill-informed scaremongering I was referring to. Thans for the example.

:)

Shale power here it comes - Bromptonaut

Happy to oblige Jamie.

Shale power here it comes - madf

Of course IF your water was affected, it would be the responsibility of the water company .

But as all UK mains water is tested and chlorinated before pumped... it is not going to happen..

Which is pretty obvious to anyone who knows anything about water supplies. I don't expect the green activists to know anything.

Edited by madf on 13/12/2012 at 17:09

Shale power here it comes - Bromptonaut

So if the ground water is polluted then that's not a problem?

Shale power here it comes - jamie745

The lights going out because we rely on windmills which don't work would also be a serious problem. But green activists want us to live in caves again anyway so that wouldn't bother them.

The people who tell you your car will destroy the Earth are the same people who were in the CND 30 years ago. Hard left extremists who proclaim to know everything about things they know nothing about.

Shale power here it comes - Bobbin Threadbare

Views change depending on if you live near it; Cuadrilla have been scoping my neck of the woods out for a few years now.

Shale power here it comes - unthrottled

Natural gas from shale powering all terrestial forms of transport is coming

No it isn't. Natural gas can only be compressed, not easily liquified like LPG. So the tank is huge and you still only have a very short range. It'll keep our central heating bills down though-and leaves us all the crude oil for road making liquid road fuels.

All the hysteria about earthquakes was just scaremongering. 1.) The earthquakes were tiny and there are hundreds of natural earthquakes of that magnitude in Britain each year

2.) it's only Blackpool, so no great loss if a subsidence induced landslide causes it to slp into the North Sea.

Great news! Frack, baby, frack!

Shale power here it comes - RichT54
it's only Blackpool, so no great loss if a subsidence induced landslide causes it to slp into the North Sea.

Impressive landslide to get Blackpool in the North Sea!

Shale power here it comes - jamie745

When that earthquake hit Blackpool I heard it caused thousands of pounds worth of improvement.

Shale power here it comes - Collos25

I can absolutely gaurantee that energy bills will not come down the gas if its found in enough quantities it will be piped to run the new generation of gas power stations which will actually force prices up but you have to charge the electric cars somewhere.I do agree with Jamie here in Germany we have windmills and solar farms which are proving to be useless so we have to import more and more energy from the Polish and Czech Nuclear power plants.

Edited by Collos25 on 13/12/2012 at 19:04

Shale power here it comes - jamie745

Maybe if we stopped charging customers an extra 10 odd percent on their electricity bills to fund windmills which don't work then energy bills would come down?

Peak electricity demand is in January time when a lovely anti-cyclone sits over Europe. You indeed get many things from that but wind sadly isn't one of them so windmills are rather pointless.

Whenever us Brits express scepticism at the windmill project we keep being told 'Germany has 10 times more of them than us and they don't complain!' but what the BBC don't tell us is Germany is finding them to be utterly useless and are importing more energy from eastern Europe and opening up more coal fired stations.

Shale power here it comes - corax

but what the BBC don't tell us is Germany is finding them to be utterly useless and are importing more energy from eastern Europe and opening up more coal fired stations.

If the lights start going out I wonder how long it will be before we start eyeing up our large coal reserves with glee and forget about global warming.

Shale power here it comes - jamie745

Well it's easy to be interested in nonsense like global warming when the 'solutions' don't cost you anything or impact you. When the price of our saving otters policy is freezing to death we'll radically rethink matters.

Shale power here it comes - unthrottled

I can absolutely gaurantee that energy bills will not come down the gas if its found in enough quantities it will be piped to run the new generation of gas power stations which will actually force prices up.

Shale gas has forced prices down in the US.

I love how the greenies keep changing their tune: When known oil and gas reserves are running low, they claim that we need to diversify from fossil fuels to prevent an energy crisis. When new reserves are found, the goal posts are moved again and we have to diversify from fossil fuels in order to prevent an energy apocalypse.

Shale power here it comes - Collos25

I have a BIL in New York state and his energy bills have just increased by quite a large amount but I meant the UK .

Shale power here it comes - unthrottled

Didn't you know that the Irish sea has become the new North sea, Rich?

[ must be all this talk about gas [ahem]

Shale power here it comes - bathtub tom

Who else can remember the 'free gas' promises after the North sea discoveries?

Not to mention the 'tolls would be removed' from the Dartford crossing once it had paid for itself!

Shale power here it comes - pullgees

Natural gas from shale powering all terrestial forms of transport is coming

No it isn't. Natural gas can only be compressed, not easily liquified like LPG. So the tank is huge and you still only have a very short range. It'll keep our central heating bills down though-and leaves us all the crude oil for road making liquid road fuels.

I'm not knowledgeable on the efficiency of using natural gas as a vehicle fuel but it seems the technology is developing and there are already 15 million natural gas cars world wide so far.

gigaom.com/cleantech/is-a-natural-gas-car-revoluti.../

editorial.autos.msn.com/is-natural-gas-a-viable-op...r

Edited by pullgees on 13/12/2012 at 23:34

Shale power here it comes - unthrottled

There's no technological hurdle to overcome. Any petrol engine will run on gas. The problem is that the range is very short. Fifteen million cars sounds a lot but it it is a small proportion of the world's fleet. Most of the CNG vehicles are taxi/delivery vehicles that operate within a small radius of a central depot.

We've had North sea gas for over 30 years and there was no CNG revolution. There won't be one now-unless the government makes natural gas tax free for road use, which is not likely.

Shale power here it comes - pullgees

There's no technological hurdle to overcome. Any petrol engine will run on gas. The problem is that the range is very short. Fifteen million cars sounds a lot but it it is a small proportion of the world's fleet. Most of the CNG vehicles are taxi/delivery vehicles that operate within a small radius of a central depot.

We've had North sea gas for over 30 years and there was no CNG revolution. There won't be one now-unless the government makes natural gas tax free for road use, which is not likely.

It appears though that it is now becoming a fuel that's being taken more seriously in the US - taking into account the cheap availability of shale gas and CO2 reduction.. Even if all PSVs, taxi's municilple vehicles and delivery vans were CNG that would be a huge expansion of the use of this gas.

Time will tell.

Shale power here it comes - Ethan Edwards

The range is short? That just means you need better infrastructure..more garages selling it. I get 160 miles between LPG fill ups with just a tiny toroidal tank in my gas guzzling SUV. If I fitted a bigger tank ....less fill ups.

Shale power here it comes - unthrottled

Yes, LIQUID petroleum gas. Propane/butane mixture easily condenses under mild pressure to give a high energy density.

Natural gas is mainly Methane. You can compress it, but not to the density of a liquid. And the tank has to be very strong, so it's heavy.

We've gorged ourselves on North Sea gas for 30+ years and no one has been interested in running their car on the stuff. Why the sudden interest now?

As is often the case industry has been doing for decades what clever marketers are only discovering today. All the big diesel manufacturers offer their diesel engines in natural gas versions. But these are stationary engines that are used where the operator has access to cheap gas.

Shale power here it comes - TeeCee

Yes it would be a problem, if it were possible to contaminate ground water from a shale bed three miles beneath.

Unfortunately, it isn't.