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Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

A little background since I am new. Born and raised in the US, my family now lives in Germany on Military orders. I am a diesel fanatic and owned a nice F-350 back home, and a Jetta TDI at one time. So when we moved here I knew immediately that we'd sell *nearly* all our vehicles state side and buy DIESEL. We did. First we bought my wife's '05 Opel Signum 1.9l Automatic (Vauxhall for you?). Next we found my '05 Ford Mondeo Ghia 2.2L manual 6spd. A couple months after owning the Signum, my wife was complaining about the wipers not working. I didn't know what she was talking about until I experienced it myself. Just a few days after that, the battery light on the dash illuminated. So we made a rushed decision to get it into the local dealer. We also complained about the harsh shifting of the auto transmission. 1,000 Euro later, we have a new alternator, wiper motor, wiper control, and an "oil change" for the tranny. They said you could not flush this transmission, so the change is the best they could do. Aside from the tranny, the car was doing well. But the transmission is still giving us problems. I will go into detail about the tranny here, but in reality, this car is slated to be replaced (and thus the reason for this post), so if you don't want to know specifics, please skip to next paragraph. First problem we noticed with the tranny is when fall started to bring cooler temps. From park or reverse, the tranny would take anywhere from 2-5 seconds to engage into drive and does so with a THUD. Then shortly after that, we noticed that when the car downshifts on decelerating (likely from 3 to 2) it also shifts in with a jolt, nearly barking the tires. Upshifts seem to be ok, and most of the other gears are fine, but it sounds like a common problem based on some internet searching. When driving on very wet roads, we also get some electrical faults for the side lights when turning and something else to do with the electric power steering. And now I discovered the Signum needs front brakes. I really hate putting money into the car at this point. I am already into the car 8,500 Euro including purchase.

So here we are, trying to decide what to do. My initial thought is try to get rid of it before the tranny self-destructs. But replace it with what? All I know is I need a similarly sized Estate Diesel car that is reliable, not overly expensive and does good on fuel. Might consider a small SUV as well (Yeti/Duster). I’d like features like SatNav, Xenon headlights, heated Leather seats, and I am sure my wife would really like another Automatic, but they seem to be prone to more problems than a standard. I wouldn’t mind another Mondeo, but would like something different than what I already own. I have looked at Skoda Octavia, Volvo, Peugeot, BMW, VW and after watching an old episode of the Top Gear’s race to Blackpool, a Jag X-type.

I am seeking your advice. What left-hand drive cars should I be pursing that will fit my needs?

The Mondeo has been working great. I have a minor issue now of the emergency brake sticking a little. Have yet to crawl under and look since I don’t have the proper tools, but at worse case, I am hoping it’s only a cable or two.

Thanks for any and all help. I am just trying to narrow down my choices as I do not know much about European cars. Nearly every internet search for cars I inquire receieves a link to this site so it seems like it is a great one to get good advice.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - 72 dudes

Not sure what your budget is but a good starting point would be the newer shape Mondeo Estate (2007 onwards). Huge choice of engines, transmissions and trim levels. Often voted Car of the Year/Used Car of the Year in the UK.

Of course in Germany, you have all the home-market cars like BMW 3 series/Mercedes C Class/Audi A4/VW Passat, all available in estate form. The world is your oyster.

Another board member Collos25 lives in Germany, so he may well be along to offer his opinions.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

I have been looking at cars under 10,000 Euro hoping that with a little more cash + trade-in that is the range I can afford. Looking at Mondeo's under that price are pre-2007's. Which I am not totally opposed to, but would like to experience other cars too. I would think a 2007+ is enough different to be acceptable.

Is there a way to setup a subscription to a thread? Most boards do this automatically, but I never rec'd an email that there was a response here. I also saw a thread from a moderator asking for new people to reply to their own threads. I wonder if this is why. They don't know there have been replies.

Brings up my next question - how do I contact Collos25? I don't see a members list anywhere.

Thanks for the help!

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - unthrottled

Welcome to the forum.

What did you think of your Jetta TDI? Was this one of the post 2008 models with the 2.0 CR engine or the pre 2006.5 1.9PD/rotary pump engine. Only the 90hp versions made it to North America, and the euro versions were considerably more powerful.

A uniquitous platform which forms the basis of the Seat, Audi and Skoda midsize cars.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

Our Jetta was a 2006 1.9L. We liked the car, but I don't know that it is large enough for an infant seat in the back. So we might have to look at the Passat.

I have been looking at Audi and Skoda, but will also look at Seat. I looked at an Exeo on a dealer lot this morning. But the price was too high.

Based on website searches, looks like Audi's are the most prevelant and may be my best bet to get bang for the buck (or euro as it were).

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - unthrottled

The new Jetta (well Golf estate) is only a few inches shorter than the passat. You could try the Skoda Octavia as a low cost alternative to the Audi A4. It's sort of sized between an A4 and A6. Same running gear as Audi but Czech assembled so cheaper to buy. (the continentals learned the badge engineering trick from Detroit!)

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - TeeCee

Signum transmission? Like this?

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/other-mechanical-electrical/298585-anyone-signum-autobox-start-praying.html

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

UNthrottled - Thanks for the info. I would say VW is lowest on the list only because they can be bought in the States. I'd prefer to get something that you cannot get there. So I will continue my search for an Octavia and A4 & A6's.

TeeCee - could very well be. Although, issues are worst when the tranny is cold. In fact, we were unaware of the issues until it started getting cold, but there are other Signum owners out there who have had identical problems. My mechanic searched google for German forums and found more than enough.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

I guess an A4 and an A6 could also be had in the States, but not in diesel and I have no owned one yet...

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jamie745

Another vote for the Mondy here. It's just better than the others.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Avant

The Mondeo is certainly a better car than the Signum, but the OP wants something diffrent from his own Mondeo.

An Octavia or Yeti or VW Golf estate (= Jetta) would fit his wife's needs, but it's best to avoid the 2.0 PD diesel engine. If a common-rail diesel is over budget, go for the 1.9 PD.

Jesus-man - as a moderator I have Collos's E-mail address: if you still want to get in touch with him, and are willing to let me give him yours, I can ask him to contact you. For obvious security reasons we can't allow open access to forum members' E-mail addresses.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Redhound

I was looking at at 1.9 and 2l diesel estates, mainly VAG or Toyota, but ended up with a 2.0 Jaguar X type diesel estate. Had her about 6 weeks now: Really enjoy driving her so I would definitely recommend a test drive in one.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jamie745

If I wanted a diesel estate car (can't imagine why I'd ever need such a thing) I would head instantly for the mk4 Mondeo. If I couldn't get what I wanted from that I'd probably go towards a 5 series touring.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

Avant - You say to avoid the 2.0 PD Engine.

I found a 2007 Volkswagen Passat Variant 2.0 TDI DSG Sportline Le Man that has everything we want, except diesel.

Bad idea to persue this one? Thanks!

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - barney100

If you want a car to give you a long time of service then the Big Volvos are to me the bee's knees. Solid and capacious and not overpriced.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man
Thanks so much for all the advice. I am not solidly opposed to a mondeo but would prefer to drive something a little different.

Avant please share my email address. Thanks!

Redhound I am glad you like yours. I have gotten into a nice vehicle in the past but it was in the shop more than any other vehicle I ever owned. That's my fear for the x-type. That and there are a dozen mondeos for every x-type.

I did look at a Volvo at a dealer a while back. I'll put them on the list as I have not been looking for them because I knew nothing. I will say there seem to be more ugly painted volvos than any other car I am looking at. But I'll look.

Again thanks. The search continues...
Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Redhound

If you follow the link on this website to the reliability index site, you will see that the X type comes in at 'average,' or a fraction better. As mine is so nice to drive I am fine with this. If reliability is your key priority then I would say go for something like a Toyota Avensis.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man
The avensis is a car we considered, but it's pretty low on the list of what appeals to us visually. However reliability is more of a priority than what looks good. Still I think the mondeo ranks above the avensis in our book.
Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Redhound

I think most people on here would say that the Mondeo is a generally nice car and a good buy. I havent been in one for years but was impressed at the time.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - bear807
Why not skoda superb greenline? Cheap to buy for its class, cheap to run, mega rear legroom space and very refine just like it Audi and vw cousins....
Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

Well, none have come up on my radar (read price range). I have seen them around town and like them, but they may just be too expensive for our budget.

Can anyone tell me if I should add Mercedes to the list?

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Avant

You'll pay more for a Mercedes of a similar age to other cars, and won't necessarily get any better reliability.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Avant

Jesusman, you were asking about the 2.0 PD engine. I had one in a Golf estate and it was fine, but I had the car fro new and it's at higher mileages that they go expensively wrong, and people on here with much more technical expertise than I have say that they are risky.

Assuming that you're keeping the Mondeo, you need to ask 'do I need another diesel?' and 'do I need another big car?' And we don't know (unless I've missed it somewhere) what your budget is. If you just want a reliable workhorse, go for a petrol-powered Toyota, Mazda or Honda - age and model to suit size and budget.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

Thanks for the info. I am thankful I asked again before moving forward with that 2.0 Passat. Sadly tho, it would have fit our needs well. But there are more fish in the sea.

The answer to both of your questions is "Yes". I want two cars that I can more or less use interchangably. I want to be able to go on road trips in both cars while enjoying good fuel mileage, and be able to haul about the same amount of stuff in each car. That's why I want both diesel.

As for budget, I think I did mention it, but I have been looking at cars around 10.000 Euro, but it would really boil down to how much I get trade-in on the Opel. Initial estimates are around 3.500, which is way less than I was hoping as I only wanted to add 2-3.000 more to get into the next car. And so far with repairs and purchase, I have 8.500 Euro into the Opel. What a horrible situation to be in.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - squarecarman

Ive had three big Volvos over the last 20 years,the present one being a 2009 phase 3 V70, 2.4D.I can highly recommend them as a strong reliable load carrier, spacious, capable of high mileages and representing a lot of car for the money on the used market.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

I have been expanding my search to all Estate's, Van's, and SUV's in a smaller radius from my house and with the features I want. I want to find something local because if I need warranty work, it's not crazy inconvenient.

That being said, I found this Nissan Qashqai 2.0 Dci. I don't know a thing about them so any insight would be great. Thanks!

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Ed V

You make cars sound as though they were made on the dark side of Mars!!

The reveiws section on this site, for starters, can give you plenty of guidance. Once you've narrowed your list down a bit, then it might be interesting to ask users here, e.g. Mondeo DCi or Volvo T5?

Essentially, all you need to know about every car is out there and accessible to all. Here is just anecdotal stuff.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - 5cylinderdiesel

jesus_man, my pennies worth if I may. I can highly recommend the 1.9 TDi Seat Altea XL manual. Large boot 535L, huge back seat leg space for as well as lots of room for baby seats and room to change nappies etc (if you need that sort of facility). Gives me 50mpg average (quite a bit better than my colleugues newer 1.6 dci Qashqai @ 41 mpg ) and with 105 000 miles on the clock after 6 years no problems at all. Based on Golf V platform, very good handling, high seating position + very good safety ratings. If you go for the Stylance spec you'll get all sorts of gadgets. Here in the UK it's not overly popular, which is fantastic cause that meant I could buy a lot of very nice car for not so much money. We use it every day and we've done lots of long trip holiday and it works like a dream.

Good luck!

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

5cyl - Some have come up a time or two, so they are on the list, but no experience with them at all. One just came up today at a dealer just a few miles from here. But is has a 2.0L. So that means I really need to find out how to identify which 2.0L's to avoid. But I am glad to hear your experience with it was good. Sounds like our needs would be similar.

The trouble I am finding is that not many of the smaller dealers list online, so it's really going to take simply beating the bushes to find what we want/need.

Thanks for all the feedback!

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

The Opel continues to dissappoint. Did I mention earlier about the heater blower stopping? Yep, rusted center shaft. Got it loosened back up with WD40.

Then on the way to work the Drivers side view mirror fell off. Just the glass, but it's gone nonetheless.

We have decided that with the horrible trade-in vales of the car, we're going to try to sell it privately while notifying potential new owners of it's current issues so no one is caught off-guard. Maybe we can cut our losses in half allowing that much more money to put into a replacement.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

Our direction may change considerably. We have always planned to replace our "primary vehicles" when we returned back to the States. My wife's was an '06 LR3 (Discovery III as it's known in Europe). So we are considering doing that now for many reasons beyond the obvious, but I don't like being saddled with a car payment right now. However, buying another used car now to sell it in a couple years and lose more money isn't all that appealing either.

So I am going to start researching what diesel SUV's are offered in a US Spec and see what we're in for. Not leaning one way or another at this point. Just looking at this as another option to get into a reliable vehicle and not try to burden our budget for two new vehicles in a couple years.

The Opel hasn't gotten any better or worse. I fixed the mirror cheaply, and continue to lube the heater motor.

Meanwhile, my sticky hand-brake Mondeo continues to be reliable and work great. I am just having a hard time spending so much money on one caliper to fix it's little issue. But having a working hand brake is important too.

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - jesus_man

One big Update...

We bought a Demo 2012 BMW X5 Xdrive35d! Took delivery on Friday. Pretty excited about it and hope we can now unload the Opel. I just hope the BMW is reliable for us. Don't want another Luxury SUV that's in the shop every month.

Picture here: s8.photobucket.com/albums/a39/jesus_man01/2012%20B...g

Please help me choose a diesel estate car - Ed V

Well, my guess is that it will be more consistent than your own thoughts on car purchases!