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Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

I've been on these forums reading and even asking for advice. I was considering the Kia Rio 1 for a long time but decided to wait and start ordering a new car in October. As it is October now I am glad I have waited since the Paris Auto Show revealed an interesting car, Dacia Sandero!

This car is interesting because for the same price of a Kia Rio 1 (£10,500 internet prices) you can get a top-spec version of a Dacia which means more equipment and "upmarket" options available for example you can choose to have an in-built sat nav, DVD Screen in rear seats (which i've only ever seen on "premium" cars before)

Prices/specs not released in UK, but you can look at the French website as a general indication of prices/specs: www.dacia.fr/gamme-dacia/nouvelle-sandero/

Although the entry model is really that, it does not even come with a radio!

Seems there are 2 petrol engines

75bhp 1.2 ltr 138g/km 47mpg or 90 bhp 0.9 turbocharge 120g/km 54mpg

And 2 diesel

75bhp or 90bhp 1.5 99g/km 74mpg

Just wondering if you guys have any comments? Never considered I would get a French car in my life, this looks to be my first *new* car. Been reading through these forums and it doesn't seem these small turbochargers are looked upon favourably?

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - skidpan

Never considered I would get a French car in my life,

Since when has the Dacia been a French car? Renault own the company and they are being sold (as I understand it) in Renault dealerships but Dacia's have always been made in Romania. Don't suppose its a bad thing, the French don't usually have a clue. The downside is dealing with a Renault garage.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Bobbin Threadbare

There's another one as well; some sort of little SUV-crossover type, with a 1.6L engine. They look like all small Nissans.....

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

AFAIK the RHD car is made in Chennai, India (www.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/2013-dacia-sandero-par.../), which makes sense (being another RHD country of course) so does that make it an Indian car?

Anyway, particularites aside...yes the SUV seems to be called the Dacia Sandero Stepway . It's funny that SUV-type vechicles seem to be in 'fashion' by the automakers at the moment.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - primeradriver

Aren't these essentially the same car as the Nissan Tiida?

Not sure why you'd want to spend £10,000 on something like this when pre-reg cars from all sorts of manufacturers are available for similar money.

These will lose value in the UK faster than an old-school Daewoo -- which is good for anyone looking for a second car in a few years' time, but I wouldn't go near one brand-new.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

Wherever they are made and what they are the same as is irrelevent they are superb cars well built and extremely popular in Germany in fact any where they sell them.There are a number of variations available all of which reprersent good value for money they even hold there second hand value suprisingly.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - primeradriver

Wherever they are made and what they are the same as is irrelevent they are superb cars well built and extremely popular in Germany in fact any where they sell them.There are a number of variations available all of which reprersent good value for money they even hold there second hand value suprisingly.

Holding second-hand values elsewhere is also irrelevant.

People in this country do not care whether a car is well built, or extremely popular in Germany.

This car is a cheaper version of the Tiida, a car with a better badge and most likely better built than the Dacia (and certainly better equipped). Where are the used values for that car in the UK? In the toilet.

Plenty of cheap imports have come into this country, and none of them have held their value here (and of course many of them, notably the Korean cars, are considerably better equipped and better-built). I the Dacia is any different I'll eat my hat -- all it is, is an Indian-built car with a French engine, a stripped-bare specification and a badge associated with Communist Romania.

The new Skoda is certainly isn't. We don't even know yet whether or not these Indian imports match the build quality of those being made in Romania -- and I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

You better start having a taste for hat material,it certainly is relevant as to whether they hold there value as with the UK here in Germany Korean cars do not hold there value nor do Skodas but Dacias do as as to say they are cheap version of the Tidia even if it was true and I doubt it the Dacia is far better built than the Tidia if you haven't seen one or driven one or been driven in one you are in a very poor position to comment .

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - primeradriver

Given that you don't even know how to spell Tiida I suspect it is you who is in no position to comment re the respective build quality of the two vehicles!

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

primeradriver, (in response to some of your comments)

As I said previously I could spend £10,000 on a top-spec sandero rather
than for example an entry level Kia Rio '1' which also I have included in-built GPS as an option.

As for depreciation, that does not matter to me per se because the car will remain in the family as done my existing Nissan Micra which is now over ten years old. Not intending to sell. It will always be used.

I am not convinced that Korean cars are built better since with Kia there have been numerous cases of the hill hold not working, probles with the ISG (stop start feature not working) in addition to dash board rattle. In Hyundai, another car (i20) I considered reports from the forum show seemingly common problems with the rear disc pads slowing the car down unintentionally.

I have been considering getting a Skoda Fabia but I could save about £2,000 if I went for a similar model with Dacia. Again trawling through the forums seemingly the diesel engines in particular seem to consume more oil than similar performance cars.

In conclusion, I have not found any convincing argument not to buy a Dacia. My point being that every manufacturer seems to have problems and I personally will not discriminate which badge was placed with at its factory...as long as the car meets European standards.

Edited by mark45 on 09/10/2012 at 18:10

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Auristocrat

The Renault Clio III, Renault Modus, Nissan Micra K12, Nissan Note, Nissan Tiida/Versa (1st generation), Nissan Tiida/Versa hatchback (2nd generation), Dacia Logan and Dacia Sandero all share the Nissan B platform.

The K13 Micra, Renault Clio IV and the saloon version of the Nissan Tiida/Verso (2nd generation) are based on the new Nissan V global platform. Presumably the new Nissan Note replacement and the new Nissan C-segment hatchback that will both be built at Sunderland will also use the V platform.

The main reason that the Nissan Tiida values in the UK are low is that it was never officially imported into the UK by Nissan. The Arnold Clark Group did import and sell some Ireland spec Tiidas into the UK.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Avant

We've hired Nissan Tiidas in South Africa: they are typical Japanese-designed 1.6 hatchbacks that just do the job, unspectacularly and reliably. Just like the Almera which preceded it and never sold well in the UK.

Nissan went down a different road here with the Qashqai and the Juke - and with great success. Maybe they now think that the brand is well enough established enough to reintroduce a Tiida-sized hatch - I'm sure I read about this recently.

Edited by Avant on 10/10/2012 at 12:39

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - daveyK_UK

The above post is missing one very important factor, the Nissan Note.

The Note carries alot of the former Almera/Primera followers and is the simple no-nonsense member of the Nissan family.

Look at the demographic of he Nissan Note buyers, Nissan has to be careful it does not wipe out a rather large following by failing to offer a practical, simple small/medium size car.

There is a debate underway at Nissan if the new Note will fall into the same category as the Juke and Qashai and appeal to a younger audience, or will it be able to maintain the 'simple, practical, makes sense' customers of the current Note.

One important thing to consider regarding the Sandero, a sales rep from a large Renault dealer reckons the Duster will out sell the Sandero even if the Sandero starts at £5999.

They strongly believe with enough interest from business and the general public to back it up, that once the Duster is available 'off the shelf', it will be a huge seller.

You also need to remember, alot of the parts and certainly the drive train and engines are already proven and readily available in Europe.

This was not the case when Hyundai, Kia, Daewoo, etc first came to the UK.

You also need to consider the Sandero and Duster parts will be 'cheap' in terms of price compared to Hyundai,Kia and Daewoo/Chevrolet, in the case of Hyundai and Kia they have some of the highest main dealer part prices around.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - madf

You also need to consider the Sandero and Duster parts will be 'cheap' in terms of price compared to Hyundai,Kia and Daewoo/Chevrolet, in the case of Hyundai and Kia they have some of the highest main dealer part prices around.

And how many new car buyers ask about the price os spares?

Judging by some of the posts on this forum, only a very few car fixated posters:-)

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

A friend of mine enquired about the price of new front discs and pads fitted to his little Kia they agent wanted more than double the price of the same parts fitted by DB on my E class.He bought the discs and pads from ebay and did it himself .

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

daveyK_UK, reading your comment in particular the 5th paragraph I wanted to know if the said Renault dealer had any comments towards the Dacia Logan, the four-door saloon which is not coming to the UK. I personally thought this was an interesting practical car (big boot) and would have considered this since I am planning a European road trip and would imagine this would come in handy.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - daveyK_UK

Didnt mention it.

Sorry.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Happy Blue!

There is a real lack of small four door saloons on sale in the UK. We all want hatchbacks apparently, but I prefer the saloon format. With all the rear seats occupied, a hatchback cannot offer the same amount of luggage space as a saloon. Saloons offer reduced noise and have the versatility to extend the luggage space by drop down rear seats, just as in a hatchback.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Avant

We always prefer 4-door saloons if we hire a car abroad: you can indeed get more luggage in the boot, out of sight. But in the UK people prefer the versatility of a hatchback, particularly the ability to make it into a small van. You'd think that more makers would take the trouble to enxure the back seats fold down flat. The Peugeot 205 of 1983 managed it - it was always surprising how much stuff you could get in there - so why can't everyone do so? The Honda Jazz is the best of the current crop of hatchbacks for this purpose.

DaveyK - you're quite right, I forgot the Nissan Note. I would imagine that Nissan won't replace this and the Juke with two models of such similar size.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Auristocrat

The Nissan Note replacement will be based on the Nissan Invitation concept shown earlier this year - produced in the UK from late 2013.

They will also have a new UK-built C-segment hatchback (Golf/Focus size) in 2014.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - TeeCee

daveyK_UK, reading your comment in particular the 5th paragraph I wanted to know if the said Renault dealer had any comments towards the Dacia Logan, the four-door saloon which is not coming to the UK.

Most Logans I see over here on the continent are the MPV variant which, unlike most MPVs, looks more like an estate that happens to have three rows of seats. Odd bit is the double "van door" arrangement at the rear, which has both its advantages and pitfalls.

The booted saloon is an eyesore. I suspect that it was designed as the estate and the saloon is a "chop the end off and weld on a box" afterthought. The front two thirds is an OK car, but the rear end is shocking. One giveaway that there's something really not right is the appalling shut lines in the boot area that characterises these things.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

Full specs and prices released

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http://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/sandero/build-and-preorder-your-car/

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - daveyK_UK

Does anyone know what the latest delivery date is?

I forgot to ask in the dealership.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

Not sure - on the website it says March 2013.

Don't know if accurate.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Keith_Adams

Must admit that I find the prospect of the Sandero very exciting indeed. It's a case of no-nonsense motoring at a no-nonsense price. Maybe Top Gear needs to get one in as its reasonably priced car - because at a starting price of £6K it certainly ticks that box.

I blogged about the Sandero the other day, and the readers seem pretty excited about it, too (well those who aren't hung up on its French car origins).

www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/blogs/blog-dacia-shooting.../

Regards

Keith

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

Interesting = there are some reviews floating about on the internet.

Main highlights of Laureate 0.9TCE

4/5

- Interior better than expected
- When not worked hard engine is quiet
- Quite comfortable ride
- Refinement near-match to Clio at motorway speeds


- Vague steering
- Road noise

Looking forward for HJ's take.

(John did if for us on Monday/Tuesday, here: www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tests/dacia/dacia-sander.../. HJ)

Edited by Honestjohn on 07/12/2012 at 19:14

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

They have been making them for seven years hardly a new car with upteen thousands on the streets of Europe. and the ones you will get in the UK next year hopefully will be the new model and a different price to what you have been quoted.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Auristocrat

Read the Auto Express review of the Sandero in Laureate trim. According to AE, to keep costs down they use the same windows as other Dacia cars. BL springs to mind: http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/cars/bmc-cars/18002200/those-doors/

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

I cannot see how they are different to other mainstream cars the new ones are Euro 5 compliant so must have as much electrical gubbins as any other car the reason they are cheap is because they use cheaper materials to make the trim do not use uptodate designs for trim or body and have very cheap labour costs plus extremely good tax breaks.You only have to look at them to realise they must be cheap I am not knocking them they sell like hot cakes and the ones I have test driven have been excellent to drive.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - daveyK_UK

Does the basic £5995 1.2 access model come with central locking?

If not, is it an option? How much is it?

Any idea on the insurance bands of the Sandero?

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

Why not ask Dacia.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - jamie745

Can't believe I'm going to say this but......I like it.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

No, you need the 1.2 Ambience (£6,595)

As to whether or not it is an option, it is not listed as such in the brochure.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - 72 dudes

No, you need the 1.2 Ambience (£6,595)

As to whether or not it is an option, it is not listed as such in the brochure.

And still no aircon unless you upgrade to a Laureate

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - jamie745

People like unthrottled will love that.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - daveyK_UK

I have never understood why aircon is desirable in the UK?

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - jamie745

Because those long three days of summer are really hot!

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Auristocrat

Obviously useful for the three long hot days of summer.

Very useful for fast demisting of windows in wet weather, and as an aid to faster de-icing in winter.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - mark45

Doing some reading around the Sandero Stepway (the crossover version), my understanding is the 'base' model is the 0.9TCe Ambiance including Metallic paint, fog lights and raised height for £7,995.

The Sandero 0.9TCe costs £7,395 or £7,865 with metallic paint. Therefore it seems the Stepway will offer more value for money at those looking to go one notch above the access version? In other words it looks like people who want the base TCe engine will probably choose the Stepway over the Sandero? Was reading about Sandero's in Brazil the market is about 50/50 between Sandero and Sandero Stepway - if they have similar marketing 'strategies' not surprising really?

One thing I am not sure/worried about is the thing about these 'new' turbocharged petrol engines? What do you guys reckon? Is it a safer bet to go with a traditional engine or should I chance a diesel, albeit I've averaged 9,500 miles per year since owning my current car for 10 years.

Dacia Sandero - Dacia Sandero looks interesting - Collos25

Read the previous postings they will all change in March 2013.

The standard of trim is completely different in Brasil.

Edited by Collos25 on 07/12/2012 at 09:36