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Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - Heyes

I'd appreciate a quick bit of advice here; I've a distinct feeling of having been encouraged into unnecessary repairs, but don't know enough to be sure and don't want to needlessly think bad of the garage.

My Rover 25 recently failed the mot on handbrake efficiency.

My view is that the first step to fix this is to adjust the handbrake - on the basis that if the car passed the footbrake tests the pads/discs are probably ok.

Instead, I'm told 'Might be pads, discs, calipers...'

So, I ask them to have a look.
'Needs new rear pads, these are glazed and crumbly' says the bloke in the overalls.
'Hhhmmm... whatever, do it' says me - wanting to get home.

I know that the rear brakes had been binding and gotten hot - a problem I'd had fixed (elsewhere) a few weeks ago by a calliper strip/lube, and since then the handbrake has been excellent.

And yes, on inspection, the pads are indeed glazed and crumbly (around the edge) but have plenty of depth - so I'm mystified why that'd affect the handbrake test. Surely it'd also affect the rear-wheel braking?

Having fitted new pads, the bloke in the overalls then adjusts the cable. 'Why didn't he just do that first?' thinks me.

Am I simply being unduly cynical?

Other than that, the service was ok. I didn't want a fuss, and I don't know enough to be certain. But right now, I'm not so likely to return - which may be unfair on them, and hence I'd like to be sure.

Yes, the pads were less than brilliant and would have needed changing at some point - it's simply that I'm unsure the work was necessary right now and I could have done without the extra £80 expense.

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - Peter.N.

Not familier with the Rover 25 brakes but I would have thought that if the footbrake efficiency was up to standard the handbrake should also be OK, Did you actually see the readout?

Handbrake problems are usually often caused by binding cables preventing the mechanism returning fully so the auto adjust doesn't work, assuming that the handbrake section of the calipers is not siezed.

Pads are available for about £15.00 on ebay.

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - gordonbennet

You had the calipers cleaned and lubed recently, i suspect the pads should have been changed then and the cables adjusted at the same time.

I have changed dozens if not hundreds of pads and shoes long before they have worn out, removing and inspecting can show breaking up and the first signs of detaching of the friction material from the backing plate, the modern *service* regime of peering through or from behind a wheel might show the depth of friction material left, it tells the viewer nothing about the condition of the parts.

Sounds to me like the second geezer did the job right, whether the internal handbrake adjusters inside the calipers (guessing thats the type) will work properly in the near future is the question, you should know in a few weeks.

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - madf

You had the calipers cleaned and lubed recently, i suspect the pads should have been changed then and the cables adjusted at the same time.

I have changed dozens if not hundreds of pads and shoes long before they have worn out, removing and inspecting can show breaking up and the first signs of detaching of the friction material from the backing plate, the modern *service* regime of peering through or from behind a wheel might show the depth of friction material left, it tells the viewer nothing about the condition of the parts.

Sounds to me like the second geezer did the job right, whether the internal handbrake adjusters inside the calipers (guessing thats the type) will work properly in the near future is the question, you should know in a few weeks.

+1

I have stripped pads which looked 100% and then fell off the packing steel when stripped.. a recipe for disaster.

"Crumbling" = change at once.

Of course if you want brakes to freeze in winter, damp in crumbly bits is the ideal way to go.

It's not the driver's life I worry about if they neglect their brakes - it's other road users and pedestrians...

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - Heyes

Thanks.

The cables may have been adjusted with the clean and lube - I just don't know. That said, the handbrake was firm (3 clicks and on) and easily held against firm acceleration in drive (the car is an auto) although I of course don't know how well it'd work as an emergency brake.

Having seen the pads, I suspect the reason they weren't changed with the clean and lube is that they didn't need it - the crumbling was very minor, just the outer edge of one/two pad(s). If they were bad, I'd have expected an advisory.

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - Heyes

Thanks.

I didn't see the readout - at least not on the machine - just the figure of 10% on the fail-sheet.

In my (albeit limited and outdated) experience, handbrake cables stretch and require adjusting - and, as the footbrake was clearly ok (no advisory) that to me would have been the starting point of any repair.

Having seen the cost of pads, the £80 seems high.

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - Roly93

In my experience a lot of handbrake failures are due to present or previous leaky wheeel cylinder seals contaminating the shoes assuming the rover 25 has rear drum brakes.

Don't however know what they mean by crumbly !

Rover 25 - Handbrake efficiency mot fail. - Heyes

Thanks.

They're discs rather than drums. And by 'crumbly' I mean that very small areas were breaking up - could be detached with firm hand pressure.