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Speed Awareness course - details lost - topaktas

A friend was given the option of a SAC, which he took. He completed the course (some months ago), and thought no more about it. Two days ago he was pulled over and told that as he had not done the course his licence had been cancelled and his vehicle would be impounded. He explained that he had done the course, but the police said they had no option but to take his vehicle. Later the local magistrates' court, where the case was originally dealt with, confirmed that there were no matters outstanding against him. He is a handyman and his vehicle is a van (properly licensed and MOTd) containing all his tools etc for his work. He was told he should send form D1 to the DVLA and he would get his licence, but this could take three weeks. He has done this. The pound where his van is states that after 14 days any vehicle will be crushed or sold. His insurance has now been cancelled because his licence has been cancelled. No insurance company will offer temporary insurance for a vehicle which has been seized, so he cannot get a friend to take out insurance in order that they can retrieve the vehicle on his behalf. Any ideas anyone?

By the way, on another website I see that Suffolk SPC are notable for not updating the register of people who have completed a SAC.

Speed Awareness course - details lost - Dwight Van Driver

So if there was a glitch, then the offence would have to be dealt with by Conditional Offer or Mags Court. From what stated the later seems to apply. Friend would get notification in summons and an instruction to send in or produce at Court the Driving Licence so that points could be added. This would be done by Mags Clerk Office and Licence returned direct. MCO would notify DVLC of result. They would also notify DVLA whether or not Licence produced for endorsement. If not DVLA suspend Licence.

Did he conform?

Suspended Licence does not void Insurance. On certificate will be information that PH covered if "he holds OR HAS HELD a Licence'. I understand this is universal.

Has he tried a short term (seven day) Insurance?

Then its a metter of taking it with the authorities. Did he pay cash for the SAC or can prove a paper trail for payment and other evidence of attendance.

dvd

Speed Awareness course - details lost - topaktas

Thanks dvd. As far as the MCO is concerned (see previous post), there is nothing outstanding against him, i.e. he completed the course as required. He tells me that on arrival at the course he signed in, and at the end signed out. I don't know about a paper trail, tho' I will ask him. I would imagine that he can show one, and I know he is very determined to get redress eventually, once he has go his licence and van back. Would you know whether Suffolk SPC is obliged to update the register of those completing SACs?

As for insurance, he phoned his insurance company and was told that since his licence had been suspended, his insurance was void and that he would be receiving a letter to that effect. He tried to get temporary insurance, and even found a company which would provide insurance for a driver who was not the owner of the vehicle, so that a friend could retrieve the van while the owner technically did not have a licence, but the moment he declared that the vehicle had been seized, all bets were off.

In posting this matter here I think I was hoping that someone would come back and tell me that though a PC on traffic duty had no option but to seize the vehicle, someone higher up in the police hierarchy might have the discretion to waive the seizure if he/she were convinced that a mistake had been made. It seems to me so unfair that someone can be deprived of their livelihood for up to three weeks as the result of a bureaucratic blunder.

Speed Awareness course - details lost - Dwight Van Driver

If there has been maladmistration of the system which has resulted in loss then this opens the possibility of civil action for damages which will have to be proved.

Can only suggest.contact with the SAC organisors and question asked as to why after once attending and pass proceedings were then taken at Mags Crt etc etc.

dvd

Speed Awareness course - details lost - focussed

In the circumstances I think that your friend should speak to a solicitor-he needs a bit more firepower than he is able to generate himself to get the wheels of the system moving.

Perhaps he could avail himself of the usual free half-hour that most decent solicitors offer as an introduction, it's saved my bacon in the past and proved well worth it.

Speed Awareness course - details lost - topaktas

Thanks dvd and focussed. Sorry not to have replied sooner. He did have a word with a solicitor who, if I understand correctly, said there wasn't much he could do for him now, but once he had gor his van back, then he could help.

I spoke to him about this yesterday. Interestingly he said that in all this mess, the one organisation which has come out of it well is the DVLA. They were really sympathetic and helpful. Nice to know!