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Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Hi there, I'm new here.

This question may be slightly ambiguous, but I will soldier on anyhow.

My dilemma is this... I am highly interested in two cars that I have recently test driven.

The first is, as the post suggests a 2002 Range Rover Vogue 3.0 td6, 89,000 miles, £10,500 from a independant garage.

The next is a Peugeot 407 Coupe 2.7 hdi, 55,000 miles, 2006, £6,500.

Both drove absolutely lovely, and I cannot decide which one to go for. I do not need much room and do never tear around like a man man.

Annual mileage approx 10k. 25 years of age, male.

I understand the Range Rover is going to have some pretty hefty expenses, but it is such a stunning multi purpose vehicle, and would easily tow my boat.

What are your thoughts on my choices, has anyone had first hand experience of owning either of these cars?

BTW, I am rather handy with a spanner, so most of the maintainance would be performed by myself.

I look forward to hearing from you!

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - bonzo dog

Hi Beachside, I know this is not the answer you are looking for but as you have asked ...... don't buy either:

  1. The RR is not only going to cost a fortune to run & maintain, it is going to break down so frequently that you will be spending most of your holidays in port
  2. Whilst the Peugeot may be reletively low mileage, there is a good chance it has been screwed at some point in it's life.

Go & find a Japanese that can do the job(s) you want.

Good luck

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Ok, I take your point, but what do you mean by the Peugeot being 'screwed', do you mean crashed?

I quite like the amazon land cruisers, would this be a better bet? My friend has a biodiesel plant so am thinking of running a certain percentage in my new car.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Collos25

I beg to differ the RR of that age is a money pit one of the least reliable cars ever built the Peugeot will be heavy on petrol but proof to be very reliable,but these are two so different vehicles are you sure you know want you want.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Bobbin Threadbare

OP - that Peugeot is overpriced at £6500. I've found a petrol 3.0L V6 on a 2006 plate with lower mileage for under £4k and a comparable diesel 2.7L hdi for Around the £5k mark.....

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Ok, so going forward what would you suggest? I would quite like a 4x4 as I currently have a defender, and my everyday car is a Mercedes E300td. I have a classic for the weekends, but am looking for something to replace the defender really.

The only problem I find with Jap stuff is that its a bit boring. I had a Lexus IS200 a couple of years ago, and that was nice- but it didn't have a soul!

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - bazza

The RR is frequently found propping up everything else at the bottom of all the reliability surveys, I would have a really long think about whether it's worth sinking £10500 into a 10 year old example! I would try and look at it logically, if you need the weight and towing ability, any number of Japanese or Korean 4x4s will do the job a lot cheaper and more reliably, with less grief. The Peugeot would be a nice drive and a lovely looking car, if the price were a bit lower.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Yes, I see the reliability surveys do not really show the RR in the best light. However, it is a BMW 330d engine in it isn't it? I know the gearboxes are a weak point, but this particular one has had a RR recon unit in it.

I am kind of interested in the Peugeot, had another look and cannot believe how cheap they are now. They were £30k new. Honestly, that car drove better at speed that a Rolls Royce, it was supremely quiet. And finding one for £5k is throw away money!

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - madf

And finding one for £5k is throw away money!

Until you have to repair them...

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Yes true. But I don't let stuff like that worry me too much!

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - unthrottled

LR once used a BMW 2.5 diesel unit, but that was some years back. I've got a friend with 6 classic rangies, of which at least four are always SORNed. He uses them for rallies and his every day car is a seat Exeo. Not even the biggest Rangie fans would claim that they make good every day vehicles. Too thirsty, too slow.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Oh, a friend told me that RR's of this era used BMW produced straight six diesel's and 4.4 BMW petrol V8's. I may be wrong though! I use my defender quite a lot, which is a non turbo diesel, and its fine for pootling about. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - bonzo dog

Whilst the engines may be BMW & certainly more reliable than previous engines used by LR, please don't fall into the "it's a BMW therefore it is superlative quality" trap. BMW's are better than many but certainly not as quality as Japanese.

Either way, the vehicle was assembled in the West Midlands where the concept of quality control is understood as much as VAT receipts in a knocking-shop

As regards my use of the word "screwed", I was refering to the sporty Peugeot being driven excessivley hard at some point in it's life

Edited by bonzo dog on 28/05/2012 at 20:40

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Bobbin Threadbare

I've got to say, if I wanted to tow something on a regular basis I would probably look at a Volvo. If I wanted immense boot space, a Mondeo estate would do the trick.

If I had the money to burn and didn't mind doing repairs, I'd get an Alfa.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Now you are talking. I have always had a soft spot for those. My girlfriend's family own a Fiat and Alfa dealership. We took one out last year, it was immense. I would say one of the best looking cars available

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

A spider that is!

Edited by Beachside on 28/05/2012 at 22:26

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Wicker

02-06 RRs are now starting to be owned by people who need to use good independents or want to DIY and can’t/won’t pay £150/hr for main dealer servicing.

A 10 year old RR is going to have had all the major "bork" sorted by now - the major fault with the TD6's was of course the gearbox but this is a known problem and the one you considered had this sorted.

Mrs W has an 04 TD6 (58K) and gets 26MPG (last fill) on mostly medium (<15 mile) journeys. She has had it for 9 months and we have not had any unexpected servicing / maintenance costs. Before purchase I used the check list at http://www.myrangerover.co.uk/MyRangeRover/Purchase_Checklist.html

The L322 RRs (current models) have had a lot of attention from enthusiasts and many medium scale maintenance tasks (e.g. changing suspension airbags or bushes) are now well understood and are DIY jobs.

Third party electronic diagnostic tools are available and many of the optional dealer modifications are accessible to the home mechanic. Have a look on http://www.fullfatrr.com to see what support is available.

Plus you do get to waft about in the best 4x4 (IMHO)!

Wicker

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Avant

If I were you, Beachside, I'd think carefully about what sort of car I really wanted. The Range Rover and 407 coupe are about as different from each other as they can be!

Your Mercedes could tow most boats - but if you need to tow it to places where an ordinary car can't go, then you need a 4x4 like a Defender which you've got anyway.

You don't tell us what sort of classic car you have, but you need to think what (if any) gap there is in your 'fleet'. Also bear in mind that even though you're handy with a spanner, things you can do with your classic aren't all possible with the complex electronics on more modern machinery.

Let us know how you get on.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - madf

I always enjoy watching RRs in multi storey car parks.. especailly those with tight corners and narrow parking spaces.

A car less suited to UK urban driving I have rarely seen..so you really need a smalller car if you travle in town..

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Boss Hog

You have a mate who owns a bio-diesel plant and a girlfriend with a Dad who owns two dealerships. I would imagine that the second would be able to help with a vehicle and possibly with any repairs.

You also have at least three vehicles and 5 grand to throw away so really money is not a major problem.

Go and buy the Range Rover and if it breaks down just get it fixed!

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Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

This is all true to some degree. I have contacts who can get repairs done cheaply, but heard rumours that a recon gearbox is £2,000 before fitting, suspension airbags £300 a pop, etc etc. My cousin has just had to replace a blow turbo in his 'supremely reliable' mazda 3, and my Lexus IS still had its faults!

I think of it like this. Me and the girlfriend don't beleive in marriage, don't want kids, so might aswell use the money on something else that gives us pleasure! Sounds sad, but that is just the way we are.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

I have just enquired with Warranty Direct about a one year warranty for the RR. They came back to me with their gold standard policy at under £500. This covers all failures, including repairs needed due to wear and tear.

I am extremely tempted by this, and the garage has given me a reduced price for the RR, only £7,500.

I've got itchy feet now!

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - unthrottled

Read the policy carefully. It is not as comprehensive as it appears-especially for older vehicles. Might be worth it for the first year-see if anything major happens, then don't renew if it doesn't. £500 is a lot of money though!

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Beachside

Thank you for the advice unthrottled. I will most definately get the small print checked. Heard good things about it though. I thought it was expensive, but a gearbox recon and fit is £3k on this car, each air suspenion airbag £300. etc. The costs could really mount up without the warranty

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - SteveLee

Go on to landyzone, there are threads with full lists of common L322 faults, the Beemer diesel isn't a patch on the 2.7 V6 PSA unit in the Range Rover Sport and Disco - but it does the job. The transmissions are a problem on the diesel (under-specified for the car - BMW engineering faults in on purpose to steal sales from RR?) but if that's been changed then it'll be fine for 80K miles until it goes bang again - for peace of mind (and to extend the 'box life by 10-20K) get the fluid changed every 30K miles at a autobox specialist. If well looked after (££££) L322s can be reliable but you will suffer electrical gremilins - similar to the 7 series BMW of the era which the L322 borrowed most of its electrical system from. When sorted they are lovely - nothing feels as nice as a decent Range Rover to drive. Air suspension parts aren't as cheap as a P38A but they are often cheaper than the system on the X5. Airbag replacement is a fairly straightforward DIY job - not as easy as the P38 ones which can be changed in 20mins per corner, more like an hour a corner on a L322.

The main thing to check for is that it has had the "front diff recall" (the front prop shaft is replaced with one containing a flexible coupling) otherwise the differential casing cracks and the diff locks solid. Check for water ingress at the rear near side of the boot area (fries the electrics) - any dampness then walk away or get a serious discount.

Land Rover Range Rover - Honest advice on buying a used Range Rover - Zuave

Ignore this message, it relates to the 2.7d. Cannot seem to delete my message.Sorry.

Zuave.

Firstly sorry, not got time to read all the posts but, if this is the 2.7 twin turbo diesel, the same as I have in my 2005 XJ, I can say it is a nice engine.

I have done 40k since I bought the car (had 27k when I got it and was 3 years old).

Had the EGR valves cleaned about 1k miles ago but they will need replacing soon.

These, AFAIK, are almost always required on this engine from about 60k onwards. Seems it is a "thing" with modern diesels....all of them!

these can be bought for about 120 quid each. If you are handy i assume can self fit.

can belts AFAIK, are a scheduled change at 120k miles.

Apart from the EGR valves and a switch in the gearbox, whcih stuck me in Park, the engine has been serviced every year regardless of the fact I was under the required mileage.

not as nice as my previous 4.0 supercharged petrol, not the 3.6 petrol before that. But diesel is the way of the world these days. So, the engine is a sweet one. used in many cars and seems to have a good rep.

rgds

Zuave.

Edited by Zuave on 06/06/2012 at 16:18