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Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

I received an NIP to which I responded by sending off the relevant documenation and obtained a Certificate of Posting when I sent it.

I have been summoned to Court for failure to provide the information so presumably the envelope has not arrived. What should I do now?

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Dwight Van Driver

I received an NIP to which I responded by sending off the relevant documenation and obtained a Certificate of Posting when I sent it.

I have been summoned to Court for failure to provide the information so presumably the envelope has not arrived. What should I do now?

Information above bit scant but here goes.

When you received the NOIP for the offence (say speeding detected electronically) with the paperwork would a Notice under Section 172 RTA 1988 for you to NAME the driver at the time of the alleged offence. This has to be returned within 28 days or offence and the matter goes to Court. Without the name of the driver they cannot proceed with the original offence of speeding. So be wary if it goes to Court.

It you did not declare who the driver was or said you did not know and no evidence of any enquiry you made to find out then they will summons you to Court for failing to name. If convicted then it will be SIX points and not 3 for speeding.

If summoned then you will have the option of Pleading Not Guilty and proving by the Certificate of Posting that 172 name and shame was made and posted off to them.

Remember also Section 7 Interpretation Act 1978

7 References to service by post.

Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression "serve" or the expression "give" or "send" or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

A little flesh then....

NIP for doing 41mph in a 30mph area. I ignored the first NIP and responded to the second NIP and posted the information in the reply paid envelope and obtained a certificate of posting.

Several months later they issue a summons citing that I have not provided the information and can prove that an envelope has not been received. I must therefore assume it has been lost in the post, but I can prove that I posted it.

Is this an adequate defence? DoI need a brief in Court with me?

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Dwight Van Driver

>>>>> I ignored the first NIP and responded to the second NIP <<<<<

Oh dreary me. They send the first 172 out to name the driver and you do not respond in the 28 days . OFFENCE in not doing so. They send a second as a reminder and you then respond....too late. The die has been cast. If in the second submission you name yourself as the driver then they can also proceed with the offence of speeding. Two offences that will prove to be expensive to you and your Licence.

The only defence I can see will be that you DID respond within 28 days from the first 172 sent to you. If this is the case do you need a Solititor to explain this fact and produce evidence of posting?

dvd.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

Well they have no evidence that the first one was received. I have evidence that the second one was received otherwise why do I have a certificate of posting? I am getting a brief.

In Manchester no-one responds to the first one as half the time they forget to send the second one.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Armitage Shanks {p}

They obviously have no evidence that the first one was received - you didn't send it! If they had received it they would have actioned it, unless you want to suggest they received and then lost it?

You do not have evidence that the second one was received but you have proof that it was sent, which may help.

You need a brief and are getting one which is good.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Dwight Van Driver

They don't have to prove that you received it although this may be a mitigating factor. See Section 7 Interpretation Act 1978 regarding 'served'

What happens is something like this. The 172 is raised and original sent to Reg Keeper, who has the obligation to name the driver and return within 28 days. They keep a copy on their file and attached will be a Cerificate of Service in that at such and such date and time it was posted which will be produced at Court. Thats all the evidence they require. As I have said one ignores such matters at their peril.

dvb

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

Will let you all know how I get on.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

Went to see a lawyer this morning who reckons its and open and shut 'not guilty' case. I can't attend the trial on the date suggested so am seeking an adjournment.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Peter D

"In Manchester no-one responds to the first one as half the time they forget to send the second one." I doubt what you say is true. They no not have any obligation to send a reminder. How long did you wait before posting the second S172 back. Some reminders have a covering letter and a reduced period of 7 or 10 days to return the completed S172. Regards Peter

Edited by Peter D on 31/03/2012 at 17:09

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - jc2

Surely,whilst you have proof of posting,you have NO proof of contents of letter posted.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

The reminder gave me 28 days to respond and I did within three days. It took GMP so long to realise that they had not received my response that they are out of time to prosecute me for the original offence (so says my lawyer).

I don't understand the point about contents? What is the point of going to the effort of obtaining a Certificate of Posting (as suggested on the NIP) and not putting anything in the envelope? Is there something I am missing?

Edited by Bitter Blue on 01/04/2012 at 09:46

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Peter D

What was the date of the original offence. They have 6 months and 28 days to lay information before the court for the Failure to Provide charge. Regards Peter

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Happy Blue!

6 September. They are about to be out of time.

Summons - Failure to Provide Information - Peter D

Remember that this date is to lay information before the court. It may be another 4 to 6 weeks or even more before they send the summons to you. Pete D