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Prius - barney100
Is this Prius ..think that's how to spell it... Going to save you money in the real world. Seems an expensive car to start with and still needs servicing etc.
Big downside for me is the battery pack...how much will that be and batteries always seem to deteriorate with time, wouldn't, that effect performance in general anyway. Any thought?
Prius - gordonbennet

Depends on your type of driving, best consumption is with short stop start journeys and heavy traffic, which is where all other cars are at their worse, indeed where modern Diesels can sting by presenting bills of eye watering size.

Probably no more fuel efficient than an equivalent Diesel in general use, indeed on the open road an equivalent Diesel manual will easily be more econical, till it goes wrong.

Hybrids are not just about economy though, quiet refinement, lack of vibration and noise and a silky smooth and infinitely controllable drivetrain are key points in its pleasure.

Batteries....in the case of Prius it appears a new set of batteries will set you back around £1500. Now that sounds a lot of money, but there are some very high mileage cars around now and i struggle to find reports of battery failure or indeed other major parts needing replacement...and i have been looking as i doubt i shall have another Diesel.

If you were to keep a car for 15 years and had to put a set of batteries in at 8 years then if the only cost apart from normal servicing and wear and tear was a one off battery pack, then it would only be the equivalent of needing a DMF at a similar mileage in a Diesel.

Prius - RaineMan

They can definately soak up the miles as there are a few working as taxis in my area - they seem particularly suited to this sort of work. The smooth drivetrain seems to make them grip better than average in slippery conditions. Only downside seems to be lack of luggage space.

Edited by RaineMan on 21/01/2012 at 08:27

Prius - madf

Read Owners forum:

http://www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showforum=52

Main battery pack lasts for >10 years .. failure very rare.

The auxiliary pack used to start engine is more problematic - may (note : MAY) only last 3-4 years .. Repacmeent c £150.. It is not a conventional battery hence the cost..

The Prius before the latest 1.8 model introduced 2009 could only achieve c 57mpg at best in real life. the current one can do c 70 in real life. Lot depends on driving style. The T3 model with 15 inch wheels are 3-4 mpg better than the more expensive modles on 17 inch wheels (and tyre costs are MUCH less).

Expect 5-10mpg LESS in winter.

The Mark4 with Li-ion battery comes out in 2012.. Will do c 100mpg around town as battery capacity increased from approix 1.5 miles to c6.

The most economical ones are those bought more than 3 years old as depreciation is HIGH. Most are fleet cars with over 100k and fsh..

The Prius topped German reliability tables last year.

I was thinking of buying one and did some research.. Anyone who buys one (privately) new has spare cash or no sense in my view.

Edited by madf on 21/01/2012 at 10:28

Prius - unthrottled

The talk of 70 and 100 mpg 'real life' fuel economy figures should with some skepticism. The sort of people that buy the Prius are interested in economy and would be expected to get some decent figures out of any car they drove.

'Hybrid' sounds sexy and progressive. But an electric motor is only as efficient as the engine that that charged the battery (minus the losses of charging and discharging). Fundamentally, there's just a little petrol engine in the bay, so one should be realistic.

They are unparalled in stop-start traffic, but on the open road, a good diesel will blow it away. Simple as that.

Prius - colinh

The Prius topped the "least faults" table at the German equivalent of the MOT - not a reliability test - just proves that Prius owners check their lights are working prior to submission

Prius - colinh

Can't comment on the Prius, but collected an Auris Hybrid yesterday which has the same power-train as the Prius. There's a local government subsidy for hybrids in Spain, so the hybrid "bit" came free. Don't like diesels, like petrol automatics, so it made sense.

Anyway drove it down from the NW to the SE overnight - 950km - and it achieved 5.2l/100km = 54.3 mpg.

This compares with a Kia 2.0l petrol auto which averaged 7.57l/100km = 37.6 mpg, and a VW 2.0l TDI DSG which averaged 5.6l/100km = 50.4 mpg. Similar drives and speeds as the Auris.

The Auris should improve once it is run-in - also the warmer weather will help - average temperature last night was +1C (Don't believe this propaganda that we don't need the Winter Fuel Allowance in Spain!)

Prius - unthrottled

2.0TDi should do better than that on a run.

Prius - colinh

Sorry - the Kia and VW figures were overall averages during heir lifetimes. But a large percentage of the mileage was on motorway runs - HJ has a combined figure for the 2005 2.0TDI manual of 51.4 mpg - and the DSG is rated 3mpg less on the VW site

Prius - unthrottled

It's an impressive figure-If you don't mind my asking, what was your cruising speed?

Glad they've put the powertrain in an 'ordinary' car. It's another option.

Prius - jamie745

Modern diesels are prone to expensive failures which wipe out your saving over a petrol equivalent, the Toyota Prius isnt. It does diesel-ish fuel economy on fuel which costs 10p less per litre, it costs loose change to tax (£10 a year compared to over £200 for some diesels), it has no DPF's or anything else which causes diesels problems. It also has no conventional starter motor or alternator (removing the possibility of two big bills). Toyota's Hybrid drive system has proven to be very reliable, New York taxi variants have recorded over 300k miles with no issues. Its also cheap to insure.

Unless you do mostly motorway miles then i cant see any situation where a Prius wouldnt at least match the daily running costs of a diesel, bearing in mind its a big 5 door automatic hatchback so comparing it to 1.4 Lupo's is folly. Im still surprised they're not more commonly used as taxi's because for consistent urban work they're ideally suited.

Prius - gordonbennet

Good post that Jamie and a testament to how good that Prius was to impress you, i know you weren't exactly besotted by them so the driving experience must have impressed you.

What i like about them is the top class smoothness of the transmission and the seamless addition of petrol power when the engine fires up with barely a sound.

If you can find an equivalent Diesel with a proper auto box it will be a similar price (but higher VED) and will always sound like a bag of spanners compared to a petrol engine.

Prius - madf

Good post that Jamie and a testament to how good that Prius was to impress you, i know you weren't exactly besotted by them so the driving experience must have impressed you.

What i like about them is the top class smoothness of the transmission and the seamless addition of petrol power when the engine fires up with barely a sound.

If you can find an equivalent Diesel with a proper auto box it will be a similar price (but higher VED) and will always sound like a bag of spanners compared to a petrol engine.

+1

Prius - sandy56

I read this with interest as I am interested in a Prius. Currently drive a diesel Toyota and so far very reliable. I did some research on the Prius and a good place to look is the Prisue owners site for USA owners. They are all very interested in saving money and the Prius is popular> they can get parts a lot cheaper over there,an example being the 2nd backup battery- £1500 in UK and about 500 USD in USA.

Prius - sandy56

sorry added too many zeros should be £150.00 and $50.00

Prius - Oli rag

Prius seems to be remarkably reliable for such a complex car. I don't think the recently announced peugeot hybrid will have as good a reputation- or am I just a cynic?

Prius - mustangman

Trying to find an effecient, smallish auto I have tried the Prius recently, possibly to change my Golf DSG for.

Having done the reading up, it looked just the ticket. The dealer let me loose for a whole 3 hours on my own.

I must say I found driving the car to be very dull. It ok at town speeds, but there's no real acceleration unless you fully open the "throttle" & then the CVT allows the engine to rev away in a noisy manner. Particularly poor at mway speeds. Very smooth though, just what my VW is not at low speed.

I did not feel tempted.