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Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - ThoraB

Hello, I need a van-based car, I'm a practical kind of woman- more likely to fall in love with a camper van than a posh car! I wouldn't care if something looked like a giant shopping trolley if it was economical & hard wearing) I've done all the research & a Berlingo would do the job. Trouble is I have #1,600 to spend. (that's supposed to be a pound sign) I found a 2001 Berlingo Multispace 1.9 forte on budget at local garage who are members of trading standards fair play scheme. (is that as good as it sounds?) I cannot find any mechanics-savvy person to view the car with me. I'm ok with the sluggishness & lack of power. I know to look at the suspension, check cam belt has been changed, major service done, screen washers, door dents, rust on silencer etc but I don't actually know where these things are! I plan to test drive it on a bumpy road & up & down steep hills. It has 3 months warranty & I should be able to knock price down for cash. I can do my best to check everything but if I still cant find anyone to look with me my plan was to buy it & get it looked at on a ramp straight away... is that a silly idea? I know that if I end up buying it, I'll suddenly be surrounded by mechanic friends saying "Ohh you didnt buy one of those... why didn't you ask me!!" Any advice would be very welcome. Thanks.

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - gordonbennet

Is that a pre facelift model, ie with the smaller headlights, and from the sounds of it the non turbo 1.9 Diesel?

In that case its about the simplest they did, basically a Berlingo van with windows, in naturally aspitated (non turbo) from they are a bit on the sluggish side for overtaking, but conversely there is no turbo lag at low revs and IMO are better to drive in traffic and jogging about and more economical, from speaking to Cit/Pug dealers when i used to deliver these by the hundred the early cars were not fitted with multiplex wiring so a simpler car all round, i like them, good mirrors easy to drive and almost impossible to stall.

Very capable, tough and just about the best ride quality this side of a Jag 420G.

Couple of things to remember, the rear suspension harks back to Peageot 405 days and can suffer wear like the cars could...IIRC if you look at the rear tyres from behind the car they will be leaning one or both sides on badly worn examples, but this really needs someone who knows this type of suspension to check it out...look for uneven wear on all tyres, they might have been rotated to even the wear out.

Check it over carefully, you want to see a proper service history not just a stamped book if possible, if its had 9 previous owners be wary.

Now then assuming this car isn't miles away you probably have a regular mechanic or garage you use for service and repair work, could you bung said mechanic a few quid to come and check it out for you.

There are lots of these for sale so you don't need to spend a fortune, the 1.9d is the most sluggish and is unloved except by those in the know who realise there wasn't too much to go wrong on them.

I assume it has power steering, make sure you are strong enough to park it if it hasn't, and if no power steering and it feels easy to park check someone hasn't put 45psi in the front tyres to make it driveable for sale purposes.

Doncha just love the told you so brigade you refer to, i bet a couple of them just sold much newer ones with half the mileage top spec and two thirds the price of yours...if only they'd known you were looking..;)

Edited by gordonbennet on 12/12/2011 at 12:05

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - retgwte

if you know so little technically about cars... and you really dont have access to any friendly mechanic or similar... in your position the best advice is check it out as much as you can yourself and then do a deal conditional on an RAC or AA inspection, pay the RAC or AA the relvant fee and get them to inspect it for you, and make sure anything they highlight gets fixed or walk away... much cheaper in the long run than taking on a car with expensive problems you dont know how to spot, even then I would be tempted to take it for a test drive to an independant MOT station and get them to MOT it... best of luck

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - ThoraB

Brilliant advice, thanks for taking the time to write this, much appreciated, @gordonbennett- wish you lived round the corner!! :-D

Edited by ThoraB on 12/12/2011 at 17:01

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - madf

"who are members of trading standards fair play scheme. "

Excellent based on my past experiences buying a car..They actually use a 3rd party to check the car before selling.. and remedy any faults.

(at least on mine they did)

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - gordonbennet
Excellent based on my past experiences buying a car..They actually use a 3rd party to check the car before selling.. and remedy any faults.



Thats handy to know, thanks Madf.
Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - ThoraB

Thanks so much everyone, that's really helpful stuff.

I took it for a test-drive today. I really like it but am not jumping in there. Cosmetically, it looks really well looked after, no rips. Seats are soft but I believe that's a French car trait? The weird thing was that the driver's seat was so soft it was squishing against the handbrake but it didnt interfere the way I thought it would. There was clunking... I'm kicking myself because the salesman told me what he thought it was & said he would sort it out but i cant remember what he said, a something bar? No spare wheel & they said they'd supply one

The thing I found hardest was the amount of pressure I had to put on the accelerator to get it moving, very heavy. Is this just the contrast from my automatic Nissan micra or does it mean something sinister? (I once had an Astra van & that wasnt heavy).Once it got going it was fine keeping it moving. It was comfy at 70mph overtaking uphill on motorway, no shaking, fine on bumpy dirt road.

The thing Im most concerned about is that there is "no paperwork with it to say the cam belt has been changed" so i take it that it needs doing. He offered me #400 for the Micra in the end ( 15 years old, it's not a pretty car- paint peeled but v low mileage & automatic) As I got in my car to drive away, he came running over & knocked a further #50 off... did they see me coming or do they just need pre-christmas sales? So #1250 best offer so far. has done 103k miles.

Any info on the heaviness would be helpful, it felt like it could be really tiring on a long journey, I'd like to know whether that is consistent with the model. I will definitely try & find a mechanical genius to accompany me. I wouldn't get rid of this funny old micra without a lot of thought, it's reliable- I just want a manual especially for in snow & ice.

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - mss1tw

My 2005 1.9D Multispace has a heavy accelerator too, and clutch.

I think it is due to the cable routing, as they are designed originally as left hand drive.

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - Bromptonaut

I also have a 2005 1.9D and concur with observation about clutch cable length/routing and consequent heavy action. Accelerator OK but suspect by 05 it's 'fly by wire' whereas OP may be looking at older XUD engined version.

Ours has been fantastic. Bought new in 05 and now done around 103k miles. 100% despatch reliability - driven with a noisy silencer or a dragging caliper but it's never left us at the roadside.

It's comfortable to drive and (Desire trim) has enough legroom, stretching space and storage cubbies - with electric charge for PS/Nintendo/phones - to keep two teenagers satisfied. Performance is measured by calendar rather than stopwatch but real trips, whether to Southern France or the Western Isles, take no longer than in an apparently much faster 110Hdi Xantia. And I doubt a Jag or Roller wpud do better either.

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - mss1tw

now done around 103k miles.

Snap!!

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - ianhad2

Never buy an old French car, been there done that, 3 times, never again.

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - Bromptonaut

Never buy an old French car, been there done that, 3 times, never again.

Have run a 205, BX and Xantia to well over 10yrs/100k++ miles, they're no less relaible at that age than new :-P

Citroen Berlingo Multispace - Helllp! Should I risk buying 10 year old car? - dieselnut

I used to own a ZX with the XUD non-turbo engine & that had a very stiff throttle.

As previously stated, the throttle cable takes a wide route to the injection pump, but a new one wouldn't cost much & would improve the smoothness.

Mine also had 2 springs on the pump which pulled against the cable & this contributed to the stiffness. One spring is around the throttle shaft on the pump, the other pulled against the pump throttle arm, I removed this spring which made the throttle much lighter to operate.

I would guess that 2 springs are provided for safety in case one breaks & the throttle gets stuck, but I never had a problem.

There seem to be plenty Berlingoes available on Autotrader at your price, but it would be best if you can take someone with knowledge with you.