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Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

changed master brake cylinder, back brake cylinders and front brake pads, then bled brakes. But still have grinding on one of my brakes and foot brake pedal juddering up and down. Anyone have any suggestions. Many thanks Dave

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - RT

Whate state are the back brake pads/shoes in? Do you have corrosion on any of the disks, not always easy to see if the inside splash shield obscures your view.

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

back brake shoes are in perfect condition and no corrosion anywhere

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Peter.N.

You have'nt put a pad in the wrong way round have you?

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

Pads are the right way round. The grinding was happening before I changed anything on the car but still the grinding noise is there

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

I also took the car to a tyre and brake garage after I changed the master cylinder because I didn't have brake spanner for the back nipple. but they wouldn't bleed back because the nipples would snapped so I bought back brake cylinders a swapped them both. Then they got bled

Edited by Dave Douglas on 10/12/2011 at 17:58

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - bathtub tom

ABS?

Could your ABS be operating when it shouldn't?

Reluctor ring or sensor problem perhaps?

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

How do you check for them faults

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - bathtub tom

Sorry, I can't answer that.

You need to know what sort of signal is output. Perhaps a Citroen owners website could help.

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - gordonbennet

First thing to do is jack each wheel up and turn it by hand with wheel still on to see if you can find the source, an assistant to lightly apply the brakes as you do this would be helpful.

Are the front discs in good wear condition with no excessive ridge, if so check them for warping, preferably by dial gauge, but simply turning them gently with pads in normal position should show if this is the cause...if the discs have been renewed previously the faces might not have been cleaned up properly and are not sitting true.

Are all caliper pistons free, have you pumped them out a bit one at a time and pushed them back to see, if single piston front calipers are the sliders and locating pins if sliders clean and free to move without sticking, you haven't got a pad retaining pin sticking out and touching the disc under braking, or a wear indicator sticking out too much?.

Sounds like you have rear drums, are the shoes in good nick, are the drums good too, again turn them gently if necessary pulling the handbrake up one click at a time to see if you have any high spots, do the self adjusters work correctly.

Assuming you find the cause of the grinding sound, and i would suspect front discs worn for this, if it doesn't disappear the juddering might not be from the brakes, could be a worn CV joint, inner ot outer, bent drive shaft etc.

One other thing, whilst you have the pads pushed back or the rear shoes well home slip each wheel back on spin it up freely and check for wheel bearing noise.

Thats all i can think of at the moment assuming the good suggestions above bear no fruit.

Edited by gordonbennet on 11/12/2011 at 00:46

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - dieselnut

To prove it isn't the ABS causing the problem, remove the ABS fuse, then drive very carefully trying the brakes & see if the noise has disapeared.

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

I have taken ABS fuse out and it as stopped the grinding. Many thanks. But can you please tell me what this means and how to sort out the problem because I know nothing about the ABS. Many thanks again Dave

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - bathtub tom

Good call dieselnut.

It means you've a fault with your ABS. If you're not confident enough to find the problem yourself, I'd suggest you take it to a garage that can - and tell them all what you've found, particularly about taking out the ABS fuse.

Here, we can only guess at the solution from your description of the problem and I think we've been lucky.

We could continue to guess, but without the problem in front of us, It'd be like a horse designed by a committee and we all know the result of that!

Please get back to us with any results.

Edited by bathtub tom on 11/12/2011 at 23:00

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - Dave Douglas

Thank you very much for the help. Will be taking it to garage tomorrow. Hope it isn't going to be a fortune lol. Again thanks. Will get back in touch when problem solved

Citroen Synergie - grinding brake - dieselnut

I had it on my Passat after having a new driveshaft gaiter fitted.

I think the steering knuckle had been jarred a few times getting the lower ball joint off & that had managed to loosen the ABS sensor. It had worked its way less than a few mm out of its position in the knuckle & caused the ABS to kick in at low speed, just as comming to a stop. Pushing the sensor back in those few mm cured the problem.