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Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira Alternator.. 105/130amp? which is better? - m_loades
Fixing my mates Zafira... alternator gave a burning smell and no longer works. Vauxhall said it's a common fault. The car is currently running a 105 amp. will stepping up to a 130 amp be better or is it pointless? anyone have any ideas?

cheers, M_Loades
Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira Alternator.. 105/130amp? which is better? - 659FBE

If the two machines have the same frame size and the same stator length (important), the lower output machine will have a lower cutting in speed and will consequently give a higher output at idle and low shaft speeds.

You don't state whether your engine is diesel or petrol - as the drive ratios and speed span differ it makes a difference. Your usage pattern matters also - if you spend time in traffic a higher output at idle is important.

If the electrical system is designed with an adequate margin (unlikely from GM) the lower output machine will serve as alternators spend very little time indeed on full field. The lower output machine will also run cooler and be less hard on the rectifiers.

Alternators are like engines - people only seem to take notice of the maximum output which is mostly unimportant. The output at critical speeds (as with an engine) is far more significant.

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Edited by 659FBE on 16/11/2011 at 14:27

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira Alternator.. 105/130amp? which is better? - madf

You can rely on GM to have pared wiring to the bone.. So any increase in output may be disastrous. Stick with the original rated output...

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira Alternator.. 105/130amp? which is better? - RT

You can rely on GM to have pared wiring to the bone.. So any increase in output may be disastrous. Stick with the original rated output...

The wiring loom will be standard across all models in the range - that's the cheapest way to build cars. So if the 130A or 150A alternator is fitted to top-of-the-range models, the loom will be adequate enough to upgrade.

At tickover, alternators are barely producing any current so any slight increase will be beneficial - there is a marginal fuel cost as the bigger alternator will absorb silightly more engine power.

I had Vauxhalls for over 20 years, if any needed a new alternator it always got the highest amp rating for that model - I never had to replace an alternator twice so the upgrade didn't give any problems.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira Alternator.. 105/130amp? which is better? - 659FBE

I think you're a little out of date - "barely producing current at tickover" is more worthy of my long gone previous employer - the Prince of Darkness.

Alternators now produce significant current at idle - the 120A Valeo machine on my VAG PD will manage almost 50A at about 950 engine rpm. This is because the speed range on a diesel is restricted and so the machine can be geared more highly without overspeeding the rotor. Diesels also tend to have a higher idle speed.

As the current/speed curve is very steep at this point in the machine's operating map, a small speed difference causes a large change in the available output. The choice of machine for a given frame size is not straightforward and depends on drive ratio, speed range and load characteristics.

Unless you blaze down a motorway with everything switched on, my recommendation would be to fit the lower output machine provided it is of the same magnetic dimensions. Many producers fit a shorter stator to the low output versions.

The VAG PD of my year and body can have a 120 or a 150A Valeo machine. They're the same physical size and the 120A machine gives considerably more output - when you really need it. Above idle, unless the load is huge, the machine will immediately hit the regulator.

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Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira Alternator.. 105/130amp? which is better? - m_loades

Hi,

thankyou all for your reply. it has cleared a few things up and taught me a few things too. Knowledge is power! just ordered the original 105 amp but chose the bosch variant. i got a very good deal and fingers crossed it should be better quality than the one currently fitted.

Regards, m_loades