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VW Passat 2012 - VW ditch unreliable piezo injectors on '12 diesels - 659FBE

After all the hype from VW concerning the performance advantages of piezo injectors over solenoid actuated injectors, I find it slightly satisfying to see a design "U" turn and a reversion to the more reliable solenoid actuated devices.

I wonder if the cost of retrofitted replacements together with the risk of litigation (especially in the US where the attached document originates) has initiated this change of policy.

I see also that the ridiculously complex DPF system has been simplified by the adoption of AdBlue.

It would seem to me that the present generation of piezo injected CR diesels from this supplier are a liability - and they know it. Anyone contemplating the purchase of a diesel VAG vehicle might be well advised to consider the two designs very carefully and possibly wait for the solenoid/AdBlue update.

Bedtime reading - as usual:

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659.

VW Passat 2012 - VW ditch unreliable piezo injectors on '12 diesels - bazza

Thank you for the link, interesting read.....although I wouldn't want to own one of those if ( when) it goes wrong!!!

......I see also that the ridiculously complex DPF system has been simplified by the adoption of AdBlue......

But has it 659? It looks like the DPF is still there, and now we have SCR system, to reduce Nox to Nitrogen, hence the urea injection- my God what a lot of technology under the car! So looks to me like VW are piloting moves towards Euro 6 compliance with this set-up. I do think it marks the beginning of the end for small diesel cars, that technology must surely add a fair bit to purchase and running cost, notwithstanding the greater chance of failure. I shall hang on to my old noisy pre PD Euro 3 tdi!!



VW Passat 2012 - VW ditch unreliable piezo injectors on '12 diesels - rtj70

I believe my Passat CC has both a DPF and uses AdBlue. And it runs very nicely. I would think this is indeed libked to Euro VI compliance.

I had a diesel Mondeo that was Euro IV compliant without a DPF. So DPFs were not needed for Euro IV. They came in on most Euro IV diesels before they then had to be used for Euro V compliant solutions.

The Mondeo I had that was Euro IV (130PS) emitted 159g/km of CO2. The Mazda6 emitted 165g/km but was more powerful (but had a DPF). The Passat CC emits 129g/km but is a 170PS engine. It is helped in the official figures by Bluemotion Technologies though (stop start and regen braking)..... if I floor it it moves fast and drinks diesel.

VW Passat 2012 - VW ditch unreliable piezo injectors on '12 diesels - craig-pd130

Very interesting reading, 659, thanks!

Who made the piezo injectors used in VWs, Bosch or Siemens? I'm curious as my Volvo V60 D3 has Siemens piezo injectors ... very few reported issues so far on the Volvo forums, however, even though the engine is widely used across several different model ranges.

Also, does the Adblue system just cut NOx emissions? It can't affect particulates, can it?

VW Passat 2012 - VW ditch unreliable piezo injectors on '12 diesels - BenG

I have a question for 659FBE. I've just bought a '54 reg. Seat Leon FR TDI 1.9 and was wondering if it is likely to have the piezo injectors?

The car has enough 'issues' at present (lack of power, loud hissing noise on boost) so I hope I don't have to worry about these failing as well!

Thanks,

Ben

VW Passat 2012 - VW ditch unreliable piezo injectors on '12 diesels - 659FBE

Ben, if your vehicle is MY '05 (10th digit in VIN) it will have Bosch solenoid actuated injectors. A confirmation can be made if you lift the lid of the ECU container - Bosch ECU for Bosch injectors, Siemens for the others. A paper label on the ECU identifies its maker.

If you have a hissing noise you have a boost leak which will reduce engine output and may illuminate the MIL. The wire "horseshoe" clips on the rubber boost pipe couplings fret the aluminium ears on the hose ends, causing the joint to spring apart under conditions of high boost. Look here carefully and fit new "O" rings - they're not dear and are available over the counter from a VW dealer. New hoses are expensive - but improvisation pays...

On a general point, I wonder if VAG took a hard look at piezo injector reliability in Europe and decided not to risk it for a new (USA screwdrivered) model in the States. Remember that years ago, Audi were almost banished from the US for some design fault. More recently, in a bid by the Americans to protect their home industry, Toyota were taken to the cleaners, spun thoroughly and hung out to dry.

VW have a clear lead in small diesel technology over any of the American makers, so there is a huge amount of business at stake. It will be interesting to see if the return to a more sensible injector technology will be applied to European vehicles.

VOSA had to be kicked into asking (I suspect politely) VAG to recall the notorious Siemens PD injectors. The American Transport Authorities don't need any encouragement to kick hard an importer whose products out-perform those of their home vehicle producers.

659.

The AdBlue enables DPF regeneration to be accomplished at a lower exhaust gas temperature, allowing a simplification of VAG's current CR regeneration system. The fluid is readily available in the US.

Edited by 659FBE on 02/11/2011 at 18:00