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Next Gen mazda 6 - balleballe

In approx 18 months:

www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259713/

Looks wise I think it's going to be a major hit

I'm just hoping it's reliable - should be since the new technology is entirely mazda's and ford had no part in it

Next Gen mazda 6 - Bobbin Threadbare

It's a nice looking update and the Sky-Activ technology is quite interesting.

Next Gen mazda 6 - CCman

Yes, it looks good - and hi tech, too! But why no hatchback model - it will be just saloon and estate!! That's crazy, for the UK market...

Next Gen mazda 6 - Bilboman

Many volume manufacturers seem to be following the lead of the German makes in not offering a D-segment hatchback, which may be a marketing ploy to raise the perceived status/quality of the car in question; although the market's shift towards SUVs is clearly a factor.
In Spain, where luggage security is still an issue in buyers' minds - how many 5 door hatches really have secure boot compartments? - the 4 door Renault 21s, Vectras and Mondeos massively outsold the 5 door alternatives, which were similarly priced.
Makers as diverse as Peugeot and Morris never bothered, leaving hatchback options to sister marques Citroen and Austin; Fiat brought us two very different 5 door Croma models; Skoda managed to carve out a niche with the unique 4 / 5 door Superb; Saab and Rover dropped their 5 door D-segment saloons, and now we see 4 door/estate-only offerings from the likes of Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Citroën and now Mazda.

Next Gen mazda 6 - primeradriver

Many volume manufacturers seem to be following the lead of the German makes in not offering a D-segment hatchback, which may be a marketing ploy to raise the perceived status/quality of the car in question; although the market's shift towards SUVs is clearly a factor.

Maybe, but I suspect in Mazda's case the reasoning is more straightforward -- there aren't many markets they have significant presence in that like large hatchbacks. UK != The World, and as far as a Japanese manufacturer is concerned, the UK is a small, remote market.

Large Korean cars have been saloon/estate only for a good long while, because these cars are aimed at the US market. Mazda is now in the same position -- cut free from Ford, the number of Eurohatches to be sold is small.

Note that all the makes you mention are Japanese -- except Citroen, who are just odd for odd's sake a lot of the time anyway!

Next Gen mazda 6 - unthrottled

since the new technology is entirely mazda's and ford had no part in it

Which is probably why there isn't any new technology in it. 'Skyactiv' indeed! Nice spin on the fact thaat they couldn't afford to develop a turbo motor like all their competitors...

Next Gen mazda 6 - primeradriver

since the new technology is entirely mazda's and ford had no part in it

Which is probably why there isn't any new technology in it. 'Skyactiv' indeed! Nice spin on the fact thaat they couldn't afford to develop a turbo motor like all their competitors...

Excellent. So what you're saying then is that Mazda's newest offering is old-school.

Must remember that, and put the new 6 high on the list when looking for next car :)

Next Gen mazda 6 - balleballe

Their diesel has a turbo doesnt it?

They have plans for an mps version apparantly - so that will have two turbos like previous models on the mps

They have lost money for two years on the trot; this model and launch will make or break them

Next Gen mazda 6 - unthrottled

Yes, but there are quite a few sequential turbo diesels out there now (it's an off the shelf offering from Borg Warner).

The diesel is interesting from another aspect, it's a low compression diesel-ambitious!

Next Gen mazda 6 - xtrailman

Does this sound familiar.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123817637-Engine-Oil-Rise

Nothing old school about the 173bhp diesel engine, it gives more torque than the X3 2L and over a wider band.

Probably the best 4pot diesel engine made, Honda take note.

Edited by xtrailman on 03/09/2012 at 20:29

Next Gen mazda 6 - primeradriver

Does this sound familiar.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123817637-Engine-Oil-Rise


CR Diesel technology is broken. Never seems to improve.

Next Gen mazda 6 - gordonbennet

Good copy of the Kia Optima..;)

Next Gen mazda 6 - unthrottled

Probably the best 4pot diesel engine made

Bit premature to make that claim about an engine that has only just been released. It took mazda a while to get to grips with DPFs, going to ~14:1 is a big leap for a company with a chequered history in diesel design. Designers have being trying to drop compression for decades while Mazda was still trying to convince everyone that the w***el was the way forward. Everyone else has petered out at about 16:1. Now, Mazda might have cracked it, but then again...

Next Gen mazda 6 - xtrailman

I agree the reliability is still in question, one reason why i'm reading the mazda forums.

But all the mags agree its the best 4pot diesel engine out there at the moment.

Next Gen mazda 6 - xtrailman

Yes the goverment figures are a joke, owners of the X3 2L are saying around 40mpg is the norm.

Mid 40's for the Mazda is still good considering the power compared to the CRV.

If Honda fit the more poweful version fitted in the accord then i would be interested, but not at over £30K, thats prestige car prices, and as much as Honda tries to move upmarket, they never seem to make it.

To beat the Gremans they have to be convincingly better in all departments.

Next Gen mazda 6 - Sofa Spud

Fussy styling - it's lost the clean lines of the outgoing model.