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Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - brignac

If anyone's interested - we ran a report in last week's Money section on converting a car to LPG. Details are here

www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/sep/30/lpg-conversio...r

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - Ethan Edwards

I've been using LPG for years. What do you need to know?

Incidentally he overpaid massively for the conversion. I paid £791 in apr 10 for a 4 cyl car. Four years ealier it cost me £1600. Prices are falling. £2K is just daft.

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - gordonbennet

He didn't pay for it EE, it was a freeby from the converter/system supplier...cheap advertising too, as he insinuates they are the best conversions available the way i read it.

Paid around £1750 all in for a 6cyl with Flashlube, 80 litre cylinder tank and colour coded filler surround, could have got cheaper but i trust the fellow and he did a 'sympathetic' job on my old MB.

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - Ethan Edwards

Yeah your right, not a bribe at all for a favourable mention. Not corrupt nothing to see here. Move along GMG as pure as the driven snow. Except they are nothing of the kind. the Rt Hon Polly 'Tuscan Villa' Toynbee rages against tax cheaters whilst working for one of the worst. the GMG and it's offshore trust (Scott Trust) whcih has saved them multi millions in tax over the years.

Anyway LPG good , GMG tax spivs bad.

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - brignac

Take a deep breath and calm down. Not very interested in your views on Ms Toynbee, but would like to know what car you converted - did you require valvecare, or alternative?

£790 is very cheap

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Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - TeeCee

£790 is very cheap

Depends on the type of conversion.

A "single mixer" conversion, just stuffing a gas mixer into the inlet tract, could easily come in at that sort of price. You probably went for the full monty and had LPG injectors fitted, along with a "piggybacked" ECU to run the thing on gas and feed the "real" ECU with dummy information to make it think everything's working normally. As this requires (at a minimum) the removal of the inlet manifold to drill for and fit the gas injectors, it can cost quite a bit.

The single mixer type won't be as fuel efficient, is unsuitable for more modern vehicles with full electronic engine management and can have a nasty habit of going <BANG>. The latter is particularly common on conversions to older Land Rover V8s (Discos, Range Rovers, etc), where many cheaper conversions placed the mixer in the conveniently placed intake duct, upstream of the air filter assembly. This provides a large volume of air / gas mix to detonate in the event of any backflow from the inlet manifold and usually results in the destruction of the air filter box.

Could we please stop mentioning Polly Toynbee? It's not doing my blood pressure any favours.....

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - Ethan Edwards

Whilst your absolutely correct my £791.25 was for a fitted (superbly over two days) fully sequential AC stag kit on my 2010 Nissan Note.

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - Ethan Edwards

Valvecare or to be a bit more proprietry -flashlube, or any one of half a dozen 'valve saver fluids.

OK from the top a 2002 Citroen Xsara Picasso - 1.8 an egas kit - no problems ran for years -no valvesaver fluid. Part ex'd against the Note.

2003 Xtrail 2.5 SVE Auto - egas kit converted four years ago just fitted a driptube valvesaver kit after 25K lpg miles. No issues. - still owned.

These were fitted by a local chap to me for £1600 each. But he's lowered his prices since then.

2010 Nissan Note 1.6 auto - after 23K miles just fitted a driptube valvesaver kit (thats the £30 one not the £200 electronic version). Kit is Ac stag 400 (I think). Kit was fitted at 75 miles now done over 25K - no issues no problems. Yes it was cheap but the todays price is only £1050 (incl vat) so still cheap. He occasionally does an ebay auction for conversion starting at £1...and I won one! I recommended him to HJ and his details can be found here...

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/lpg-and-cng/

PJ Cars are mentioned at the bottom of the page. LPG makes a lot of sense for me as I do around 25 K miles a year. Now whilst I have just fitted flashlube to 'the fleet' it's only through a bit of paranoia as I haven't seen any issues so far. But at £30 for the kit and a litre (10K miles worth) of fluid it seemed to be cheap enough to just do it anyway. Flashlube are the only ones making a electronic kit which does cost £200 fitted. My understanding is that as a rule (there are exceptions) all german cars just don't need it (esp MB). Some japanese cars reportedly do. I think there's a great deal of FUD about the issue and it's really just another lottery if you get VSR or not. So far so good (crosses fingers).

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - brignac

Sounds like you have found a good man. There seem to be plenty of good small guys fitting cheaper systems - it's just a case of weeding out the less good.

What MPG do get on your cars when running on gas?

At that price £900 I can't believe that more people aren't switching to gas.

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Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - Ethan Edwards

Can't recall the X-Pic but the petrol equivalent mpg's are...

Xtrail 2.5 Auto equivalent to 40mpg (petrol you'd be lucky to see more than 30mpg on a run). Heavy old bus and part time 4wd.

The Note (auto) I regularly get the equivalent of 62mpg. I tend to use the cruise control and stick at 65mph. But when late for work..well let's say it never dips below 55 mpg equivalent. It got significantly better after about 10K miles from new. Petrol I think you'd have to look at HJ's real world figures as I don't have much experience at running it on petrol. Only had it 18 and a bit months. It uses about 3 litres a month of petrol. So I'm into my second ever tankfull!

Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - brignac

By my calculation that's around 35mpg on gas. Does that equate to a 20% reduction over petrol - probably does. Good to have a space saver tyre - the only think I don't like about LPG is the lack of a spare. I wonder how good the sealant kits would be in the event of a flat.

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Toyota Avensis - Running on LPG - The Guardian's converted a car - Ethan Edwards

I've always just carried the spare as well. Note is no problem as it's still hidden under the extra boot floorboards it comes with. The Xtrail boot is large enough anyway so it just lives in there. Once you have a bag or cover for the spare it's clean and not an issue.

Incidentally when I picked up the Note from conversion PJ gave me a proper bag to keep the brand new spare in. Was that nice or what!