What a good idea! Although a rather description of car, year, model, time and place is almost as good.

For instance, the 10 Plate Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTi in silver driving along the A56 towards Chester at 35 mph at 9.45am 25/08. Yes, you! You know who you are. There was a snake behind you. If you can afford a 10 plate car, you can afford a tank of diesel-get a move on!

That's him told. I feel much better.

With a bit of luck, one of them will be on here...

Have you never checked out 'myroadrage.co.uk'?

I have made quite a number of posts - I use the same username. It's useless overall but very cathartic. I certainly will not miss driving around the Warrington area...!

Oh here we go, i knew the 'he's not breaking the law' crowd would come out soon enough. The brigade of 'he's allowed to go at the slowest speed recorded by man, its all your fault' blah blah blah blah blah blah. I knew you lot would come out eventually. Look, it may be legal but the fact is the guy obviously had no awareness as to his surroundings, doddery old pensioner who had no clue what he was doing, lane discipline was awful as well. The rare time i had a clear straight to blast past him he positioned over the centre line with a third of his car on the other side of the road so i couldnt risk going past him in case he drifted further and put me in a ditch. I wasnt asking him to drive at 100 miles per hour i was asking him to drive at a correct speed for the road.

Sadly you've got this one-extreme-or-the-other disease i speak often about on here. Things are one extreme or another, theres no middle ground. Asking him to drive at a reasonable speed for the road is translated into 'telling him to drive at 100mph' as a pathetic strawman. Why resort to that? Nobody said he had to do 100mph. Its such a tired pathetic way to string an argument out and i really am sick of people doing it. Its so boring and tiring. Its like saying because i dont like one dish on a restaurants menu i must therefore hate all of it, even if i didnt say anything of the sort. Ridiculous. Really am fed up with it.

Were you so up his behind that he decided to slow down, and rightly so,

Take your 'its your fault that he cant drive' argument elsewhere please, im so fed up of this tired argument, cant be doing with it anymore. To start with i ended up close because i was in a 60 limit and he was doing 43 and it wasnt until i was about to end up in his boot i realised just how slow he was going. I backed off but still close enough to take advantage of any gap to get round him, he either purposely blocked me off or just wasnt paying attention and drifted across the road. I think he just didnt see me at all, but you seem to think he saw me and purposely slowed down and blocked me off, it may be his 'legal right' but still deserves a kick in for being so antisocial. If he was doing 65 and weaving across the road you'd go 'look at the maniac in that Peugeot!' yet when they're going too slow the same rules dont seem to apply? Pathetic really.

because the only reason he would have given a hand gesture is if you were.

He gave a hand gesture because i overtook him, he probably didnt see me before i had done so and didnt realise how useless his driving is. Typical pensioner, thinks he owns the road, cant drive properly and thinks everything is everyone elses fault. Dont defend him.

his right, and within the law,

Drive like that on your driving test and you will fail so can we please chuck this 'his legal right' stupid argument out of the window. An examiner would fail you for driving like that. Fact. End of. No arguments. The same as an examiner would fail you (or abort the test) for driving stupidly quickly, yet you'd view that differently for some reason. It'd be my legal right to keep pigs in my back garden but it wouldnt be very sociable or respectful to other people to do so. Its my legal right to pour slurry over my car if i want to but i still wouldnt. So lets drop this 'legal right' rubbish.

I have a picture in my mind of a red faced individual with steam and profanities emitting from an open window, flashing and riding the bumper

I dont like to drive with the window open. And if he even looked in his rear view mirror and even knew of my location i'd be incredibly surprised. If he did see me then thats even worse, because then it turns from a nervous slow driver unaware of whats around him into someone purposely going out of their way to hold me up, thats what i call highly anti-social driving which deserves no credit, encouragement or defence. Again, do that on a driving test and you WILL fail it if you were deliberately obstructing or holding up traffic for no reason. That goes against everything in the highway code to purposely hold up traffic just because you cant be bothered to drive correctly. An examiner would probably abort the test if you drove like he did. I'd prefer to think he's just old deaf dumb and blind personally, i dont want to think he was being sinister or being in my way on purpose. I'd prefer to think he just wasnt paying attention.

of some poor sole who just wants to get from A-B without driving at 100 miles per hour. If not its the impression I have.

Yes its the impression alot of people like to get, if he was an Asbo teenager in a Ford Focus with side skirts going too fast you'd have a different opinion, but because its a doddery codger who cant see where he's going, just as dangerous and anti-social, its completely different. We need to stamp out this ridiculous favouritism towards the oldies which we seem to have adopted.

Edited by jamie745 on 28/08/2011 at 00:22

Pat,of course you are right. I think I'm right in my last paragraph. Okay Jamie your window was shut, but the rest....

I am pretty tolerant on the road, but if an ahole rode my bumper because I wasn't making progress in his/her eyes, I to would get annoyed.

"but because its a doddery codger"You never mentioned any such fact in your post.

Like I said why get so wound up. Find an appropriate section of road and overtake. You'll have a cardiac arrest some time soon, and stress is a big problem. Psoriasis, heart disease yada yada. Grow up Jamie. You drive a Jag don't you. An old mans car anyway so why not a mature driving attitude to go with it.

Edited by Ben 10 on 28/08/2011 at 11:28

My deecision of the right speed for me to drive at takes in a lot more than you would ever consider.

That is presumptuous to say the least. You then imply that driving slowly is a good remedy vehicle or mind not being in sound condition!

The 'correct' speed is the one that a reasonable driver would find comfortable-given the prevailing conditions. The person at the head of a snake is not being reasonable.

How long is it since you passed your test Jamie?

October 2002

My deecision of the right speed for me to drive at takes in a lot more than you would ever consider.

Speed limit

Was 20mph above what he was doing, and 3mph below what he was then doing.

Weather conditions wet or dry?

Dry, clear day.

Vision ahead or lack of it.

Perfectly clear, no excuses.

Mechanical handling of vehicle.

His problem not mine.

Quantity of traffic.

Nothing in front of him. They were all already at their destination, finished what they were doing and on their way back by this point.

Potential hazards ( bends, pedestrians etc)

I'd be surprised if he'd even notice them but very little, theres one blind bend on that stretch which i'd passed before i came across him.

And finally the way the driver feels at the time.

Irrelivant. 'I Feel this way so i'll hold everyone up' What a disgusting attitude.

We all have times when we're not firing on all four cylinders, yes you as well Jamie, and it's a good driver who accepts this and takes it into consideration.

If you're not fit to be able to drive in your own lane then its a good driver who accepts this, considers this and stays at home and doesnt drive.

Problems at home or work, anger, lack of sleep all have bearings on our reactions and that's why there isn't a 'correct' speed for a road.

If you've got problems at work or home, anger, lack of sleep etc thats all YOUR responsibility and YOUR problem and shouldnt be left to me to deal with the effects of it. You cant just go out there and say 'well ive got problems at home so i'll drive on the wrong side of the road today because thats how i feel'. If those things mean you cant drive correctly (not just the speed but in general, in the wrong lane, not checking mirrors or even knowing the speed limit etc) then DONT drive. Why should your problems affect the rest of us?

Start thinking a bit more broadly Jamie and realise it isn't all about you.

Couldnt i say 'its not all about you' to the person who thinks their home problems affecting their driving should become everyone elses problems?

Theres a section of the theory test which states if you're angry then dont drive until you're calm. My driving instructor always told me if im not in a fit state to drive then dont drive, someone distracted, angry, depressed etc is just as dangerous as a drunk driver, especially if they think its ok to let those things affect their driving.

Look in general i understand what you're saying. Its not always safe to drive at the speed limit, many factors are involved but the fact is in this case this was someone who was unaware of his surroundings and couldnt stay in lane. In general i agree with you, ive been on 60 limits where about 45 is generally about right as alot of difficult bends, trees etc limit your view ahead, this wasnt one of those times. People who would stick religiously to the speed limit are also dangerous. Driving by numbers is dangerous. In general i agree with you, but not in this specific case. All those things you listed which would dictate your speed are all completely right and i apply the same rules and if this was one of them instances i wouldnt of been annoyed in the slightest.

You dont need to tell me all of this i already agree with you, im not someone who goes around religiously at the speed limit with blinkers on not paying any attention. Im also fully aware that nobodies perfect and obviously we're not robots but by the same token things happening in your personal life shouldnt be made to effect everyone else on the road.

Edited by jamie745 on 28/08/2011 at 15:58

Well obviously we dont know these people and have no interest in stalking them for months to observe their driving, all we can report is one off incidents.

To be honest im not a particularly fast driver, you might all think im a red faced steam eared angry person who goes everywhere at 150mph but im not to be honest. I see no point in going anywhere needlessly quickly, like on a motorway when its busy, theres no point in steaming down the outside at 95 because you dont get anywhere any quicker, just waste petrol for no reason. Theres 30mph limits in towns but theres no point in reaching 30 because then you have to stop for lights or a crossing or something. Its rare that i actually get stressed behind the wheel and i put that partly down to the car, the Jag is a calming environment to be in and i like that. Driving in this country is hardly a stress free experience and i have no intention of adding to that needlessly. I can do economy driving as well im not an oafish idiot.

Well we all have off-days when our driving is pretty crap. But when my driving is rubbish, I usually know it's rubbish and do my best to concentrate harder. With the dawdlers, one gets the impression that they're oblivious to their shortcomings-or simply don't care.

But when someone pulls out from a side road, causing you to brake, you know that they will be a dawdler. It is invariably an old codger who can no longer judge speed and distance.