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You tell me! - Another what car thread! - BenG

OK. I'm currently driving an '03 Focus TDCI, lowered and remapped, but after 5 years I'm considering a change and would like something a bit sportier and more responsive to drive BUT also want decent fuel economy (i.e: 40mpg+), a car with enough space to put my bike in or which can take a towbar for a proper bike rack, with a high enough top gear for relaxed motorway cruising. I also don't fancy a diesel with a DPF, so have been looking at older diesels pre-05 and those without filters. I can spend up to £7k.

So far I've considered:

Seat Leon FR old shape 1.9TDI 150hp

Skoda Fabia Mk1 vRS

Seat Ibiza old shape FR TDI 130hp

Renaultsport Clio 172 & 182 (but won't take towbars)

Alfa 156 2.4 JTD 20V estate

Suzuki Swift Sport (too low-geared - 4000rpm at 80mph!)

Mk 2 VW Golf GTI 8v

Vauxhall Astra 1.9CDTI 150hp

Kia Pro Cee'd 1.6 CRDI

Honda Civic 2.2 CDTI

Anyone have any other ideas or personal experiences of suitable cars?

Cheers,

Ben

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - Avant

Your problem is 'sportier and more responsive' - as the Focus is one of the most responsive cars in its class, and certainly more responsive than many on your list..

Assuming you want a change, try a Fabia vRS or Golf TDi, both powered by the 130 bhp engine (if you drive a GTI as it's meant to be driven you won't see 40 mpg). Likewise the SEAT Leon, although I'm not sure you'd get your bike in it.

Thge only ones I'd definitely avoid are the Alfa (a £7k Alfa is too much of a gamble in terms of reliability) and the new-shape Honda Civic (rear visibility is so bad as to be dangerous).

Edited by Avant on 15/08/2011 at 22:00

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - jamie745

I agree with Avant, to already have a Focus and to ask for something sporty and more responsive leaves you with precious few options as the Focus is one of the best in this class of car. I think the Fabia and Golf are the only options, or for 7k you could probably get a newer Focus. An 03 one was still a late 90s design which feels pretty old now.

One option you have missed out would be the BMW 1 series, probably a 118d or 120d and theres 04-06 plates going for 4-7k but it was an overpriced car when it was new but it is a good car. But the more powerful ones are still pretty pricey.

Edited by jamie745 on 15/08/2011 at 22:31

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - Bobbin Threadbare

The BMW 1 Series is surprisingly uncomfortable.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - jamie745

BMW's trend throughout the 00s of using runflats as standard with an unforgiving suspension setup may be good on nice German roads but wasnt suited to alot of the broken British surfaces.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - BenG

Thanks for the comments. I did consider a Mk2 Focus 2.0TDCI but it seem most are fitted with DPFs which I want to avoid due to sometimes having to complete shorter journeys(!)

The Focus drives well but is hard-riding and fairly noisy due to road and wind noise. The standard brakes are rather poor, as is engine response - it feels as though the accelerator is attached to a piece of elastic.

I've considered smaller, lighter cars for increased agility and responsiveness, but can't see much point buying a petrol hot hatch then driving like a granny to get decent mpg...

An older (pre-'05) Seat or Skoka with the VW 130hp TDI engine appeals, but finding good ones with sensible miles is getting harder. Has anyone had experience of the Kia Pro Cee'd 1.6CRDi and would this represent any improvement on a Mk1 Focus TDCI?

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - unthrottled

I know two people with Post '05 PD130s. Neither has had injector problems. (VW replace them free with a bit of arm twisting anyway). The Skoda variants didn't use DPFs right up until Euro V became mandatory in 09. Whatever the merits of Ford bodyshells and floorplans, their diesel engines are pretty poor.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - jamie745

You know when a friend of mine was looking for a new car not long ago we came across Peugeot 308's, some of them only a couple of years old for under 7k with low mileage, good economical petrols, more power than the Focus and surprisingly spritely.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - BenG

@ unthrottled: Agreed. Given the reliability record of the car so far, I think now is a good time to get rid before something expensive goes - DMF, fuel pump or turbo! The PD130 engine seems a fairly reliable unit with well-known issues. I understand I need to buy one with Bosch injectors though rather than Siemens (recalling previous posts by 659FBE) - any quick way to check which are fitted when viewing a car?

@jamie745: TBH nothing Peugeot have done since the 205/306/405 generation has done much for me. I also have a prejudice (irrational?) against French cars as being unreliable. Have recently read about Peugeot 307s & 8s being fitted with DPFs since about 2002 and being subject to repeated, low-mileage DMF failures....

Perhaps it's time to go back to petrol to avoid the EGR/DPF/DMF issues, but I think I would miss the grunt and economy of a diesel.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - jamie745

Well firms like Peugeot are making good strides to improve reliability reputations but they're still not as renowned for it as Lexus, Subaru, Honda etc but the 406 has an enviable record given the mileages they've all clocked up as fleet cars, ive seen ex-taxi's with over 300k on them and still working so i dont think its universally a French problem. The 308 has ironed out alot of the 307's niggles and i can only speak from being a passenger in a test drive for 20 minutes in one but the 308 was quieter than a mid range Focus and with a better ride, and it was a 1.6 petrol which was certainly quick enough, and quite a nice interior.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - corax

The 308 has ironed out alot of the 307's niggles and i can only speak from being a passenger in a test drive for 20 minutes in one but the 308 was quieter than a mid range Focus and with a better ride, and it was a 1.6 petrol which was certainly quick enough, and quite a nice interior.

The 308 is one to watch as a decent value alternative to the Focus IF it is superior to the 307. I'd like to think that they have improved the reliability, the same with the Renault Megane (I wonder if you still have to go through the inner wheel arch to replace the headlight bulbs), but the shortfalls tend to show themselves after a few years. We'll see.

I test drove a Seat Ibiza PD100, and have to say it was great fun to drive - the PD130 would be a blast, but many of them must have been thrashed by now. There is quite a bit of vibration through the car on idle, but it's to be expected considering it's a PD engine in a small car. There is also a fair amount of road noise. But as long as you're within the engines narrow power band it really punts itself along nicely. Going down sliproads and getting up to speed just by accelerating in fifth gear was a breeze, and with only a few revs showing. I had a few concerns over reliability niggles after reading one of the owners forums, so I didn't buy one. But they are extremely good motorway cruisers.

You tell me! - Another what car thread! - BenG

@corax: I had considered the old-shape Ibiza PD130. I'd heard they were a bit unrefined and hard-riding though and the interiors are pretty cheap and plasticky. Having driven a VW Polo TDI 130 the performance is certainly good in a car of that size, and I'm thinking a Polo or Fabia might be a better bet than the Ibiza for a bit more comfort and refinement.

Thanks for everyone for their suggestions so far!