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London riots - unthrottled

Given Avant's legendary ability to calmly resolve the most vicious of motoring debates, I think he should be packed off to London forthwith. Violent hotspots could be locked down to 'read only' along with a polite reminder that looting and arson are against the rules of the forum.

In areas were unrest is brewing, malcontents could be advised to consider the merits of a Skoda Octavia in preference to a free LG plasma TV.

I predict a return to peace in about five minutes.

London riots - jamie745

I think the police need to stop pussy footing around with half hearted 'please stop it' measures and just get the sodding guns out. In the immortal words of Gene Hunt 'human rights are for human beings'.

London riots - bonzo dog

I also think appropriate Jamie, are the words he uttered to Lord Scarman:-

"In 20 years time, when the streets are awash with filth and you're too frightened to leave your big, posh Belsize Park house after dark, don't come running to me, mate"

London riots - jamie745

If that seemed ironic and apt when first broadcast around four years ago or whenever it was, even more depressing now. Anybody reading this will say 'its only a TV show' and yes you're right, thats what makes the fact he was right, even more depressing.

On a serious note though, when you let the Guardian reading left-wing 'lets all help everyone' group dictate the country for so long that we restrict our policing powers to the point where they're basically muzzled and literally not allowed to do anything, because they risk life and mortage every time they take a decision to protect the public, means you eventually end up in this situation. The people we're dealing with here are not disaffected youth, they're not bored young people, they're not a victim of the cuts or a broken home or any other excuse the bleeding hearts keep wheeling out. They're scum. Scrotes. End of.

Its proven that if you keep giving the advantage to the criminal, we'll be in a situation where our Police cant protect us. One day they complain that they smacked a few people at G20, and now they complain the Police arent quick or robust enough to protect us. The British public have hated and beaten down the Police for years and now we need them, everybody is very loud in their criticism. You get what you ask for as far as im concerned. You wanted a blunt impotence Police Force. Well you've got it.

Theres plenty of scum out there on the streets, lurking in every shadow and behind every wheelie bin. It goes on every night, this is nothing to do with cuts or youth clubs closing and people trying to claim it is are barely any better than the filth filling our streets and burning down our shops. This is a culture of 'we're going to smash stuff up for fun' and no amount of funding or talking will fix these people. We need to put them down. The news outlets have been very politically correct by pointing out the odd one is a Graduate etc and dancing round the issue of probably a minor majority being black (residents of Hackney even said its mostly a black youth problem ffs) but anybody who isnt brainwashed by the BBC knows this is a serious ongoing problem and has been for years and the only solution is to round up the crims and deportation to some horrible spartan island.

*puts down megaphone again*

Lovely jubbly.

Edited by jamie745 on 10/08/2011 at 00:43

London riots - Ben 10

The police are criticised for using "kettleling". Well I think on this occasion it would have been the right tool. Chasing the scumbags just moves them around and gives them opportunities to loot in other areas. They needed to corral them and make them pee their low hung designer jeans hoping they ruined their Blackberries into the bargain. With maybe the odd crack with a baton for good measure. They need some medicine, and I, like a large number of us hope the police dish it out.

London riots - jamie745

The Police receive criticism no matter what they do. Scrotes come out to protest about things, EDL marches etc, they're told to leave the area, they refuse, they get a beating and then complain about it and because in instances like that it doesnt affect the rest of us the population goes 'we must crack down on police' etc and all the bleeding hearts come out in force. Well now that its not on TV and its outside peoples front doors, its your car, your house and your business all being swept up and put in a bag people now suddenly develop a different outlook.

The law of unintended consequence is that now we need our Police they're virtually powerless to help us. Apparently the Prime Minister did offer the services of the Military, something unprecidented in the UK outside of Northern Ireland but allegedly the Met were keen to prove they could handle it if given enough numbers so they've got that chance. The military idea would only work if they were authorised to shoot anyway. We need to get the story of Mark Duggan out of the news its irrelivant, 99% of them wont know who he is, they've just come out because its how they spend their time, we need to stop with the idea that its savage cuts are disaffecting 'poor youths' with £80 trainers and Blackberry smartphones. This is an underclass of pure scum, they dont need a reason to cause havoc, they do it for fun. This is a lowlife underclass which has existed for years, it hasnt suddenly appeared since the Coalition formed so we can get that argument out of the way. Anybody who saw the hoodie on Sky News tonight who said 'we do it cos we can' will know what i mean.

Anybody old enough to remember or has seen videos of the riots of the 80s will immediately see Police handled it slightly differently back then, Police were tooled up and told to get stuck in and my word did they get stuck in. Look at the Miners strike and confrontations for example, Police would wade in and seriously beat the s*** out of them. And some could argue we had more sympathy for them, that was protests over loss of jobs and the closure of massive industries and sparking major unemployment across the North of England. This isnt anything to do with that, this is just scum.

The reality is what will happen? They'll get a fine they wont pay, a criminal record they wont care about, a youth referal order they wont fulfill and get told to not do it again (which they will) and then end up (if most arent already) on benefits living off of my taxes while free to roam our streets again.

London riots - unthrottled

Jamie, calm down dear! London has always been plagued by feral mobs; it is a not a new phenonemon caused by Blackberries, Liberalism, the Human Rights Act or any other straw man.

Now I can't prove this, but I don't think Avant's absence on the forum tonight and the rapid decline in unruly behaviour on the streets of London are unconnected.

My bet is that the yobs have a new understanding of the qualities of the Octavia and that peace has been restored.

Of course, Avant being the modest fellow that he is will refuse to accept any credit for the quelling of the unrest.

London riots - jamie745

I dont think you understood what i was saying unthrottled, i said myself that its not a 'new phenomenon' as i dont believe any of this is new or in connection with the cuts or any sort of protest. I believe theres been an underclass of scum who do this sort of stuff every night but out of nowhere they're all doing it at once. Blackberries didnt cause it, ive got a Blackberry and im not smashing shop windows in. And i think you and me could have a long conversation on the different sometimes contradictory facets of Liberalism and Libertarianism all day but thats nothing to do with it either. And the Human Rights Act hasnt caused the problem but there is an argument for it hampering our ability to stop the rioting quickly. As the act doesnt allow us to go in and just smother them with machine gun fire which wouldve halted all issues three days ago. That said the Police have clearly had guidelines relaxed today based on events in Manchester. Go on lads!

The media keep trying to find a 'cause' for this, clearly not recognising these 'people' dont need a cause. Is it too taboo to admit there are some people who just cannot be saved and need to be put down? Ultimately the cause of it is irrelivant, it doesnt matter. What matters is how we stop it and make sure they cant do it again. Whys and wherefores are to go through in a few months time after everythings fixed. The attitude of some communities towards the Police trying to protect them is disgraceful, the 'Asian Community' of Manchester decided to be vigiliante's last night and one of them got killed, and instead of taking responsibility for their actions they blame the Police with 'if the Police were here we wouldve stayed at home' im sorry but the public are told to keep out of the way, dont be a hero and let the Police deal with it in due course, if you refuse to heed the advice you cannot blame the Police for your stupidity.

Edited by jamie745 on 10/08/2011 at 16:08

London riots - Avant

Thank you for your graceful tribute, Unthrottled! As you know even from this forum, politeness and requests to calm down require a reasonable level of mental development on the other side.

Sadly, too many chlidren spend all their spare time in front of the TV or computer, purely receiving input rather than making any contribution of their own. Thus they grow up without resources, and this is compounded if their parents haven't the wit to teach them the difference between right and wrong. It didn't occur to some of those looters that they were doing anything wrong.

The police presence last night helped to calm things down in London: but the reinforcements were a day too late. Why didn't the Met get the message on Sunday night? It's unfortunate that Sir Paul Stephenson, a good operator, was forced to resign as Commissioner by the comparatively trivial issue of phone-hacking.

London riots - jamie745

The Police prescence in London was helpful but it just moved it to Birmingham and Manchester. Some will say they shouldve reacted quicker and people will do their 'blame the Police' segment where they should be blaming the scum. There is perhaps a point of being underprepared for something sudden, given how effectively they can prevent terrorist attacks armed with information. Maybe Stephenson resigning and the Met under seige by the media had an effect on organisation, i just still find it funny how last week the public hated the Police with the NOTW stuff and now out of nowhere we're begging for them to be there.

There is a political issue to reacting too quickly though, until last night most of the trouble was confined to the Tottenham area and it ended up London wide extremely quickly. If two nights ago they'd send in 16,000 police, recalled Parliament, water cannons and guns etc it wouldve smacked of over-reaction and made the powers that be look like they were out of control and panicking. Essentially they're damned if they do and dont etc.

London riots - Bobbin Threadbare

I notice that nobody has mentioned Liverpool at all.....do people just reckon that Merseysiders are used to it..? <tongue firmly in cheek there>

London riots - pda

The world ends at Watford, I think.

Pat

London riots - unthrottled

do people just reckon that Merseysiders are used to it..?

We just assumed that they caused it.

London riots - Bobbin Threadbare

Oh how I have missed you.

London riots - injection doc

RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration!You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!!

I rest my case !

London riots - jamie745

Very interesting if slightly daily mailish piece on the telegraph in the past week.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8698033/New-Labours-toxic-legacy.html

What we need to do is to stop debating the 'reasons' and get out of the mindset we need to educate rather than punish. Theres plenty of strawman arguments going around like 'they were protesting against rich bankers!' so why did they burn down a furniture stop, loot the Croydon Argos and somebody cut off a rabbits ears? Hardly protest against the elite is it. We need to accept that these people are pure scum who deserve nothing better than to be drowned.

London riots - Bobbin Threadbare

so why did they burn down a furniture stop, loot the Croydon Argos and somebody cut off a rabbits ears? Hardly protest against the elite is it.

And in Liverpool, they smashed in a launderette. Those capitalist washing day swine!

London riots - Avant

It's also interesting that there were no riots in cities north of Manchester, despite unemployment being higher in the North: further evidence that the riots were less about poverty and more about boredom, too much TV and bandwagon-jumpery.

London riots - jamie745

Bandwagon-Jumpery has been added to Muppetry in the HJ new word lounge!

I did note a few days ago there was no trouble in Glasgow or anything (no more than usual anyway) and places like Newcastle and Sunderland have problems at the moment but they didnt burn stuff down. In my view this is where alot of the defending arguments fall down. Its not a protest against cuts because cuts have been ongoing long before it happened, its not protest against police shooting that thug (if it was then why did it happen in Birmingham? where nobody would know who he is) its not a protest against bankers getting rich in a capitalist system. If it was they'd have burned down RBS or gone for mansions etc, but no, they went for the Croydon Argos and made a poor immigrent woman jump from a second floor window to escape her burning flat, thats not a protest against poverty, thats just sheer thugishness.

These people are scum and they've been out there for years, they havent suddenly surfaced, the only difference is all the scum came out at once for a few days. Its a good for nothing generation with 'rights without responsibilities' as i feel almost pained to steal a quote from David Cameron. It has to be pointed out alot of this trouble has happened in Labour strongholds where councils have been dishing cash out to thugs and useless dregs of society for years and now thats being cut and now they set stuff on fire 'cos they no jobs innit' even less jobs now you've set fire to it.

London riots - davmal

so why did they burn down a furniture stop, loot the Croydon Argos and somebody cut off a rabbits ears? Hardly protest against the elite is it.

Just think of all of that Elizabeth Duke jewellery coming onto the black market.

London riots - Bobbin Threadbare


Just think of all of that Elizabeth Duke jewellery coming onto the black market.

Surely this will simply lead to more people 'on the sick' as they are so weighted down with sovereigns, which will result in RSI and whiplash.