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. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - sandbanks

Hi There, Im looking at buying a car from BCA Blackbushe and I live in Poole, Dorset apx. 1hr 30mins away. From making a few visits to BCA I have found that most of the cars that go through do not have MOT's. I would be looking at mainly buying newish cars at most 6 years old. I want to know if anyone has had any experience or what you would recommend as the best way to get the vehicle home ideally on the same day. I don’t own a trailer but do know a friendly garage. Thanks in advance

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - unthrottled

Nobody sells a car without an MOT because they couldn't be bothered to put it in. If it hasn't got an MOT, there's a reason! It simply isn't worth hiring a car transporter to pick up a car that's not roadworthy unless you know exactly why it isn't roadworthy. You might pick up a bargain-but you're more likely to pick up a can of worms. Better to buy something a bit older with a full MOT and some tax and hope you get 12 months motoring out of it.

Car transporters.com do self drive at fairly decent rates.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd

I wouldn't say "most" do not have MOT's. Some don't because they have lost the docs or the MOT ran out whilst waiting to go under the hammer. Doesn't mean theyt can't pass one but lease companies and dealer groups do not MOT cars prior to going to auction as a rule.

BCA deliver but are not cheap unless it is for a decent number of cars in one pop. Other than that you'll have to get 'em MOT'd or transported. If they have an MOT you could drive them on trade plates.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd

Incidentally, if you are doing this commercially (i.e. you are trading the cars) and do use a trailer setup you need a full tacograph etc.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - unthrottled

Misread post-thought you were a private buyer!

Couldn't yu just have an arrangement with a local garage to book an MOT-that way, you can drive it there legally?

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - sandbanks

Misread post-thought you were a private buyer!

Couldn't yu just have an arrangement with a local garage to book an MOT-that way, you can drive it there legally?

Thanks for your reply guys, I am not an authorised dealer but I am looking to sell the car back on to make a profit. I have read this about pre booked MOT's. So once I agree to buy the vehicle could I pre book an MOT and drive it directly from the auction centre to my MOT garage 70 miles away? If so how would I insure without MOT and Tax?

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - SlidingPillar

If so how would I insure without MOT and Tax?

This old chestnut... Very few insurance companies insist on a MOT, instead they require the car to be roadworthy. Tax, irrelevant (but of couse needed to drive on the road unless to a prebooked MOT).

I've legally driven a SORNed car to a prebooked MOT - loads of folk have.

Worth pointing out that the police know about auction end times and certainly used to nab more than a few punters from one auction site I knew of.

Edited by SlidingPillar on 24/06/2011 at 23:07

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - unthrottled

70 miles is pushing it IMO. To be on the safe side I would book the MOT with a garage near the aution. MOTs are a fixed price anyway. If you get a nit picky tester-pick another one. If he knows he will get repeat business, he should be flexible about giving you a pre-booked time at short notice if you're flexible about when he actually does it!

I would point out that selling second hand cars as a sideline is a minefield. As a sole trader, you can't simply 'sell as seen'.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd
You need proper commercial trade insurance and trade plates. Any normal insurance will not cover you for "motor trade" use and you'll need to be buying as a trader otherwise the buyers fee will be horrendous.

You've either got to do it properly or just get BCA to deliver.
. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd
I've just checked and BCA's list price to deliver from Blackbushe to Poole is £73.

That's for one car - it will be less per car if you buy more.

That solves your problem and is safe & legal.
. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - gordonbennet

Quite obvious that using BCA's fleet of subcontract transporters is the best solution, and fairly priced.

Depending on the situation of your home address, make sure the approaches to your place are navigable, large enough roads with some sort of access without low bridges but especially trees, bridges are height marked, tree branches are not, your car won't be the only one on the truck which will be up to 16ft high fully loaded...even if it's not your car on top it will be someone's so give them a suitable destination address and contact numbers.

Will you try Mannheim at Bristol too.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - sandbanks

Thanks a lot for all your replies, like you say the transporter is probably the best option although I may now looking into car trailer hire as this may be an option for me. In regards to the buyers fees, are the private fees the ones that are advertised on the walls around the auction centre? Also is there a cost to register as trade with BCA and is there a significant saving on the buyer fees?

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - Alby Back

Do be careful if you buy a car trailer. I saw a guy getting very out of shape and ultimately crashing while towing one with another car. He was quite carefully negotiating a steepish downhill corner in the rain. His towing car simply couldn't take the bend with all that weight behind it. Stuffed it into a wall.

Go steady. Oh, good luck with the mini-business by the way. Hope it works for you.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd

Do be careful if you buy a car trailer. I saw a guy getting very out of shape and ultimately crashing while towing one with another car. He was quite carefully negotiating a steepish downhill corner in the rain. His towing car simply couldn't take the bend with all that weight behind it. Stuffed it into a wall.

Go steady. Oh, good luck with the mini-business by the way. Hope it works for you.

Also, technically, if you are moving the car for business purposes technically you need a full tacograph, time sheets etc. And yes, sometimes the Police do check.

You also need a substancial towing car - cars weigh a lot these days and combined with a trailer it is very easy to get to 3-4 tonne GTW.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - RT

Also, technically, if you are moving the car for business purposes technically you need a full tacograph, time sheets etc. And yes, sometimes the Police do check.

You also need a substancial towing car - cars weigh a lot these days and combined with a trailer it is very easy to get to 3-4 tonne GTW.

You'll also be over the B licence group towing limit (3500kg Gross Train Weight) so you'll need B+E which will mean passing a towing test if you passed your car driving test after 1997.

If you're under the 3500 GTW limit you won't need a tacho even if it's business.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd

There is a significant difference. You used to need to buy at least 12 cars in a 12 month period to qualify for the business buyers fee and it got reduced again if you went over the 100 mark. The lowest fees are offered to those who buy 500 or more in a year.

They are forever changing it. To qualify as a "trade" buyer and get the V5 whole you need to at least show some trade insurance and possibly other evidence of trade status such as trade plates, VAT number etc. Otherwise they insist on registering the car in your name and you'll have to wait 2-6 weeks before you get the logbook and can sell it.

Car buying and selling is no different to any other business - you need the correct insurance, accounts, VAT status, trade accounts etc. to do it anything like properly. Treat it like a proper business and you'll probably do OK, do it without the right things in place and it'll be a messy disaster waiting to happen.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - pd

Yes, if under 3500 you don't need a taco. However, with most mid-range cars weighing in at 1500Kg or more, plus the weight of the trailer, plus you need a big car to tow it all it is very easy to get over 3500Kg.

Basically, if you bung pretty much anything on the back of a Discovery or similar you're over 3500Kg.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - 1litregolfeater

I bought an unregistered car from a bca auction of ex-ministry cars, and they had a bunch of guys able to transport it for £30 or £40, but I'm only about 6 miles away. Must have been reasonable about 6 years ago as I didn't look into alternatives.

Having said that, if you stick it on a tow rope, doesn't it just become a trailer, and you can tow anything with impunity, without MOT tax or whatever?

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - SlidingPillar

Er no, it's still a mechanically propelled vehicle and subject to the same laws it would be if you were driving it.

Remove the drive-shafts, perhaps but I think even then it is dodgy.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - 1litregolfeater

I'm sure that a car being towed is a trailer.

As it obviously is being trailed behind another vehicle.

De Facto, a trailer.

In your eyes, in your face, a trailer.

How could it be seen any other way?

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - RT

How could it be seen any other way?

The car is CAPABLE of propelling itself, therefore it's a mechanically-propelled vehicle which must be registered, Mot'd, taxed and insured.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - 1litregolfeater

I think you're probably right, just another example of something you can't do any more, that you used to be able to. What a shambles.

. - Buying at BCA how to get car home? - jamie745

First they changed it from using a rope and having someone in the towed car, then they decided it had to be done with a solid bar meaning essentially nobody had to be in the towed car to make it more "trailer" like and now they've decided you cant do that either. The law is if theres wheels on the ground its governed by the same laws as any other car (i wonder if you could get away with it if you had four of them little cradle things with tiny wheels on them for each wheel, what are they called?!?! Technically the cars wheels wouldnt be on the road, see...always thinking!)

Aside from that i do believe if its being towed for a pre-booked MOT test then that is fine and third party cover is provided by the vehicle which is towing the car (providing of course that car has valid full comp insurance which covers it for towing (check it first, some policies dont include this) and the driver has a licence entitling them to tow also) so the towed car itself doesnt need anything.

Or, i might have my old trade plates in the shed (which themselves have questionable legality) but you might get away with it if you want to borrow them! LOL!