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Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - AlziBang
I was hit yesterday by a couple in a focus. Although the owner of the car was insured, she was riding in the passenger seat. The driver, whom I thought was a named driver on the policy, turned out to be uninsured. Of corse by this point I had already given a statement to my insurance company, and the 3rd party contacted me and asked if I could cover up who was driving. I understand the pressures of modern motoring, and from a legal point I know I have done the right thing, but that doesn't help me, as I now have to claim against my own policy for repairs. Can a mutual agreement be made with the 3rd party, and assuming they sort out their flagged insurance, avoid contacting the Police, or should I drop them in it with the police ad well?
Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - FP

If legal action was taken against the uninsured driver and you were found to have covered up for him that might mean you would be guilty of an offence yourself.

That's what your "mutual agreement" means, doesn't it? Perverting the course of justice, or something along those lines?

Do you really need to ask?

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - jamie745

Why would the insured owner of a car sit in the passenger seat and let someone uninsured drive it?

Madness.

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - dacouch

If there is an Insurance policy on the car and the uninsured driver is "Identified" then the Insurer of the vehicle have to deal with the claim under the Road Traffic Act. They would then recover their outlay from their policyholder.

I would suggest you report the incident to the police and then get onto her Insurers to make a claim.

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - AlziBang
The policy holder was not feeling well enough to drive. According to Churchill whom we are both insured with, they can't recover any losses from the policy holder if she wasn't behind the wheel, so that means I have to foot the bill on my policy.
I found it odd the car has been repaired already.
Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - RT

Try to find out if the actual driver has their own policy with "driving other cars" cover - if they have you can claim on that - otherwise you've been hit by an uninsured driver and it'll be your policy which pays out and your NCD which is lost.- whether CPS decide to prosecute the uninsured driver remains to be seen.

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - AlziBang
The policy holder assumed her partner was on her policy, and given that she was willing to take the wrap for the bang on her policy, can only guess he's got no cover of his own. Think it's a little bad though that the "victim" in these sorts of cases has to pay out on their policy, when they are paying over the odds for insurance anyway. The reason insurance is so expensive is to cover the "uninsured driver". So where is that when you call up and say you've been banged by such a driver. It's not so bad that the car is drivable and safe on the road, but for those not so lucky who's car is well smashed up, how do they get on with their working week if they rely on a car, and can't get no settlement.
Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - AlziBang
Wasn't thinking so much as that, just have them agree to repair my car, and in return, I would not say anything to the police, unless asked. I wouldn't lie about who was driving. But if the insurance company wish to forward this on to the police, I would co-operate with them in the investigation.
Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - bonzo dog

Hi Alzi, hypothetically, say you caught a burgler breaking into your house by smashing the patio doors.

Would you call the police or simply ask him to pay for the repairs of the doors?

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - Problem_Polo :-/

I'd have to agree with the general setiment here that you need to involve the police. You'll need to do this simply in order to protect yourself and limit your own damages, regardless of the 'rights and wrongs' point of view. The other party(ies) has put you in this position, so there is no need to feel guilty for them.

With regard to the 'pressures of modern motoring', that's a reasonable point and there are some 'cheats' which it's easy to sympathise with, like the popular 'fronting' method to avoid ludicrous premiums for new drivers etc - but driving uinsured is just plain out of order, no ifs or buts.

Edited by Problem_Polo :-/ on 24/06/2011 at 16:54

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - AlziBang
Good point problem_polo. I have contact the insurance company again for a further update. It now appears the driver has got insurance, just not for the car he was driving. But Churchill say they will claim against his policy. Alls well in the end.

Thank you everyone for your input.
Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - dacouch

The Churchill Staff do not know what they are talking about the Road Traffic Act clearly makes the Insurer of the vehicle that hit you responsible for damages to a third party vehicle where the driver is identified.

it is a liability, other than an excluded liability, which would be so covered if the policy insured all persons or, as the case may be, the security covered the liability of all persons, and the judgment is obtained against any person other than one who is insured by the policy or, as the case may be, whose liability is covered by the security.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/VI (151)

See question 12 here http://www.mib.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/031A958B-1950-4064-8367-EAE93C4DB5AE/0/FAQGuaranteedFund.pdf

As I stated earlier the other persons Insurers are liable for the damage to your vehicle (Assuming they were at fault)

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - RT

Are you sure? Surely the primary liability lies with the driver, not the vehicle.

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - dacouch

The basic principles of third party vehicle insurance are governed by the Road Traffic Act, the RTA states that vehicles need third party insurance (Or security deposit). The principle of the RTA is that if there is a valid policy on the vehicle then the Insurer are liable (For fault accidents) when an insured (Named driver) or also if a driver who is not insured on the vehicle eg as in OP's situation or also if teh vehicle is stolen providing the driver is identified. (See the link and the highlighted passage from the relevant part of the RTA in my previous post.

The third parties Insurer are obliged to pay the claim and will then seek reimbersement from their policyholder or the driver.

If you look on your own certificate it will have in bold letters "Note to third parties, nothing contained in this certificate prevents you claiming from this policy" or words to that effect.

If the driver had not been identified or the car had been stolen and the thief not identified then the MIB would be the ones who pay the claim.

Try googling "Hit by stolen vehicle" and you will find plenty of no win no fee solicitors who explain the above. Here is a link to one "If the vehicle is stopped and the driver identified, the registered insurers of the vehicle are still obliged to compensate the victim." http://www.mycompensationclaim.co.uk/content/accidents-involving-hit-and-run-and-stolen-vehicles

In fact if Lucy was still on this site, she would be falling over herself to offer a credit hire car which she would claim from the insurers of the car


Edited by dacouch on 25/06/2011 at 00:32

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - Brit_in_Germany

>The third parties Insurer are obliged to pay the claim and will then seek reimbersement from their policyholder or the driver.

But in the case of the same insurer covering both cars, they will try everything to either avoid paying out or loading the ncd of the innocent party.

Skoda Octavia - Hit by couple and later found with no insurance - dacouch

If in the relatively unlikely event that they are both insured with the same company the claim would be handled as a normal claim would be. Th OP would just need to recover their excess from the third party insurer.

If they don't want to claim off their own insurance they could approach the third party insurer (Their own) and claim directly off them or enroll the use of a claims handler etc.

OP feel free to check what I have told you by ringing the MIB link here http://www.mib.org.uk/Company+Information/en/Contact+Information/Default.htm