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Fuel Price Drop ? - Ben 10

Watched the CBS News on SKY last night. A gallon of petrol have risen to $4 a "gallon".

The newsreader quoted analysts saying that crude production has been increased and that prices there could fall by 50 cents by the summer.

Do you think we will reap the benifits as well? If not, why not?

Fuel Price Drop ? - veryoldbear

Not a bat's chance in Hades. There is a special one-way ratchet system for fuel prices ...

Fuel Price Drop ? - SteveLee

Prices on fuel receipts should be broken down by law, then people will realise that the fuel component of the "cost" of their fuel is only about 30% in the UK - the rest is tax, if oil dropped to $1 a barrel it would have a marginal impact of our at-the-pump cost. Don't forget you are using money that has already been taxed at source to buy it with! Out of £100 of your earnings the government is taking about £90 in tax - you are getting a tenner's worth of fuel - fair?

It should be the taxpayer rioting on the streets not the great unwashed.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

I am in Berlin at the moment and diesel has dropped from 148.9 to 131.9 overnight the biggest drop I have ever seen in Germany.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Fuel is actually very cheap if you take off the Government's slice. Yet for some reason when oil prices rise by a tiny amount, pump prices increase instantly, when it falls, it seems to take a very long time for petrol stations to respond if at all, leaving them to profit off of a lower price. Quite why there isnt some regulatory body for that i dont know.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Hamsafar

I just came back from Iran.

Everyone is angry, because fuel has risen from 6p a litre to 25p a litre. This is because the government has abolished subsidies and replaced it with a welfare state. A big mistake as we can see from the UK. This is a reminder that it can be as low as 21p if there is no tax on production and exploration either.

Fuel Price Drop ? - barney100

The £90 in a £100 tax take is very comforting.... I reckon thats a conservative estimate. Fuel prices are never going to come down, we need fuel, they know it and we have no way of putting pressure on. The old fuel protests soon petered out and the price at the pumps goes up and up and up. I've made my views known to the powers that be and I can almost hear them laughing. We got a whole penny off a litre recently and a halt to a 5p planned increase, the efeect hardly lasted a day round here. Seen petrol at 140p plus round here today. I don't want to work out the cost per gallon.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Dutchie

Fuel prices should come down but they are not for the time being ,it is about making money I'm afraid and of course they are laughing at us.

Mind you just coming back from France the prices are getting silly with the Euro in comparison with the UK.Better stick with the pound than the euro or we will all be jumping in the sea like lemmings.

Fuel Price Drop ? - barney100

90% tax...you must be tea total!..............................................................

Fuel Price Drop ? - Smileyman

If fuel prices drop by much then the gov will put up the duty to compensate ... to reduce their deficit. Yet, lowering fuel tax thus freeing more funds for consumer spending will be the best thing for the economy, employment etc (as long as it does not boost imports that is!!)

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Yes but this Government, being Conservatives, believe putting people out of work and taking all the money away from the public and leaving everybody (except bankers and posh people in Surrey) 100% bankrupt is the perfect solution to everything.

A year on from the formation of this Joke Government and we still havent heard a Growth Policy. All i've heard is "we need to pay the defecit, blame Labour, not our fault"

Not sure how long that's going to wash for now tbh.

But on the subject of the Fuel Tax, well its too high and has been for some time, yes it went down 1p in the budget but the Tories VAT rise put almost 4p on it (which varies depending on price of product obviously) and is currently paying them back the 1p duty cut with about 500% interest so if they think we cant see through that they're very mistaken.

In my view, both Tories and Labour profited from a low oil price for many years (oil was rolling out at $10 a barrel in the late 90s) in order to line their own coffers with tax money, but now the oil price is skyrocketing and put simply, that is one finance stream for the Government which is now unsustainable as ripping us off isnt an option anymore, they had a good few years of profiting so they cant complain.

What i hate is how the Government would describe a tax cut as "the government losing money" when in reality its the public gaining or saving money.

Edited by jamie745 on 10/05/2011 at 00:51

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25
When you have a diminishing product and increased demand there is only one way for prices to go it may be cheap in Iran but what is the average wage. The same applies nearer home in Poland and the Czech Rep I would sooner earn what I have in Germany and pay the price here than earn the average in Poland and pay their price.
Fuel Price Drop ? - dadbif
I am in Spain, filled up yesterday with diesel (gasoleo A), priced dropped from euro 1.30 to 1.23, and 8% discount too at Carrefour supermarket.

Would be even better if the pound wasn't so pathetically weak!
Fuel Price Drop ? - FP

Reported in yesterday's press - Asda and Morrisons are reducing petrol and diesel costs:

tinyurl.com/5uvbmqt

A small step in the right direction.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Dutchie

This is political but the reason of the weak pound in my opinion is that the powers to be want the euro in through the backdoor .Pound equals euro.

Average wage rises in the UK over the last whatever years have not being in line with inflation.Mervin King the bank chief mor or less mentioned that he was surprised that they got away with the low interest rate for so long.

We are fortunate in the UK that there is big competition between the big supermarkets but if prices are to high people will vote with their feet and go to the Aldis and Nettos to do their shopping for a meal.

Rail prices are to high in the UK and to many variations if the governement want us of the road build more metro systems and tram transport and create work at the same time.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25
Has been reported in the German press that

Edited by Andy Bairsto on 10/05/2011 at 11:32

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25
Has been reported in the German press that the DB will use buses in future on certain short and long distance links as it is far more cost effective short sighted I do not know it seems a retrograde step to me
Fuel Price Drop ? - Roly93

This is political but the reason of the weak pound in my opinion is that the powers to be want the euro in through the backdoor .Pound equals euro.

Rail prices are to high in the UK and to many variations if the governement want us of the road build more metro systems and tram transport and create work at the same time.

With the pound this close in value to the euro it is even less likely for us to join the euro. The time for us to have joined was when the euro was 66 or 67p now it would be financial suicide for the UK.

Yes rail prices are far too high you're right, even with a super-duper weeked saver ticket, by the time all of the family have bought one, it is still far cheapre to use the car if you already have one. That is the achilles heel of the old public transport argument, if you have already invested in the running of a car it is cheap to use it afterwards.

Fuel Price Drop ? - unthrottled

if you have already invested in the running of a car it is cheap to use it afterwards.

Especially with idiotic fixed costs like road tax which do nothing to increase the marginal cost of driving and dissuade drivers from using the car for a particular journey.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Ive always preferred road tax being a fixed price. I know that i pay that one off fee for the year or 6 months or whatever and whether i drive 1 mile or 1 million miles in that time i wont have to pay them any more tax. We pay plenty of tax dependant on journey and car use through the fuel as it is anyway. So much so now when you fill your car up if you listen carefully you can hear David Cameron laughing.

Fuel Price Drop ? - unthrottled

It's very unfair on people who only drive a few thousands of miles pa. It's unfair on classic car enthusiasts. It's unfair for people under the old system if they have a 1.6 which is taxed at the same rate as a 5 litre and twice as much as a car with only 100cc less capacity. I pay ~£190/year for a 1.6-yet it averages 40 to the gallon. Under the new system a car with the same fuel economy pays ~£140.

The Tories are hardly car friendly but labia were worse. They have an ideological hatred of anything that promotes individual freedom so they taxed motoring to the hilt to pay the bribes...sorry final salary pensions of the legions of transgender outreach co-ordinators.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

You pay a tax to own a car and more tax dependant on your mileage through fuel duty, do you advocate that the people who make the wealth of this country should pay even more therefore increasing the price of all products so that a few should have the right to pay less car tax.I believe we should keep the status quo in the UK it simple and it works and in the scheme of things its fair.

Fuel Price Drop ? - unthrottled

No. You do not pay a tax to own the car. If the car is kept off road, it can be SORNed. Road tax covers use on the road which is covered by fuel duty. It is useless tax which does not work at all well.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

Don,t be pedantic you pay tax to own and use a car ok .Fuel duty is tax where the more you use the more you pay.Any tax revenue not payed by one section of the community has to be paid for in other ways by the rest the system we have in the UK works if you cannot afford to pay don,t havea car if you can then I would keep quiet because any change that comes will benifit nobody.

I advocate a higher tax on people who do little mileage to subsidise us who do high mileage therefore taking the pressure of high distribution costs.

Edited by Andy Bairsto on 14/05/2011 at 12:14

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

But at the end of the day its your choice whether you want to own a car to drive very few miles a year or have a classic car in the garage isnt it. Its not a god given right, you have a choice as to if you want to do that. You say its unfair on those doing low miles but the way the system works is the Government are not telling you how many/few miles you may do. You have just as much right to do 40k as the rest of us, if you only drive 2k miles in a year then thats your business. If you were a low mileage driver on the old system (i personally prefered the simplicity of under 1.5 is one price and over 1.5 is a different price) then the amount you'd save in fuel would usually offset the VED as far as your yearly motoring tax bill is concerned.

I wouldnt want to drive around knowing "oh no if i go a few more miles ill get another tax bill" such a stupid system would just be unworkable. Its much better to just pay a one off fee then you can do whatever you want. I think the system is alot fairer now with all the different VED bands, some cars free to tax, a few very cheap etc, the downside is quite often these ultra low emission low tax cars tend to cost alot of money which can outweigh the benefits sometime.

You'll never get rid of the road tax, it'll never go away, and i'd hardly call it a useless tax as it raised just under £6billion last year, £6billion the Government would be very keen to snatch from elsewhere if the system allowed us to pay less. I guarantee if everyone bought a Fiesta Econetic with free tax the Government would s*** themselves.

Fuel Price Drop ? - unthrottled

Why would you have to get a tax bill every 6 months? Why would there have to be lost revenue. You're creating a straw man argument. There is no reason not to simply raise the duty of fuel to make the scrapping of road tax revenue neutral.

the Government are not telling you how many/few miles you may do. You have just as much right to do 40k as the rest of us, if you only drive 2k miles in a year then thats your business.

What a ridiculous argument! You wouldn't want a similar argument applied to your income tax (unless you were a very high earner).

Andy-I think it's a stretch to argue that high mileage equates to wealth generation. The armies of salesmen armed with their powerpoint presentations batting up and down the M1 aren't generating any wealth at all. A car sitting on a drive creates no problems to society whereas high mileage cars inherently create externalities such as noise, congestion, pollution etc. There is every argument to apply a tax proportional to usage.

Road tax is a confidence trick. We know this because it's based upon spurious criteria such as binary engine size or CO2 emissions. The CO2 emissions are dependant mainly upon HOW MANY MILES THE CAR IS DRIVEN. The tax fails by it's own criteria.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

I think unthrottled is the screen name of Ken Livingstone.

At the end of the day they've got to base the tax on something. The rules are very clear and if you dont like them then dont have a car. You wont get a tax discount for leaving your car at home (well you will, a hefty chunk of fuel duty wont be paid for cos you wont be using it). Its been this way since the year dot and you wont change it, you seem to have a real bee in your bonnett about this non-issue.

The fact is the low usage drivers, who would be the only ones to benefit, are in the minority so its never been worth the Government's bother doing it. The people worse off would be the people with high usage, who already pay a VED charge which you describe as failing by its own criteria. Sky high Fuel Duty, VAT on fuel, regular servicing with VAT, regular tyre changes with VAT on them etc the more miles you do the more money you spend on keeping your car on the road so the more tax you end up paying. So on top of that they'd also be expected to pay over the odds on VED also. So the rich would stop it happening anyway.

And high mileage drivers are the only thing keeping many industries ticking over. Imagine if we all did 1k a year, most garages would go out of business. But hey it'd be ok cos you'd get a tax reprieve. Well done. Well done.

So just chill out mate lol.

Edited by jamie745 on 14/05/2011 at 13:22

Fuel Price Drop ? - unthrottled

Ken Livingston?

You're the who's used the forum to extol the merits of the Labour party, Jamie. If Labour hadn't been so spendthrift we wouldn't need to raise so much taxation.

if we all did 1k a year, most garages would go out of business.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

At least Labour didnt create policies which kick the vulnerable and disabled in the face leading them to protest at Westminster.

The basic fact is overall, the more miles you do, the more money you pay to use the road. Be it through fuel, servicing, tyres, repair work etc whatever, you pay more money the more you use it.

Overall those who use it the least pay the least. So people who do more miles have alot more right to complain than somebody who does none. Basically you're saying someone who owns a car but doesnt use it, hence doesnt pay as much money to keep it, or someone who pays a fortune to buy and own a classic car just to use it once a month has the right to throw toys around and scream ITS NOT FAIIIRRRRRRR like a kid just because they have to pay road tax like the rest of us?

The public would not accept higher fuel charge but they will accept current VED as its possible to buy cars which are free to tax. You cant buy a car which is free to fuel. If it matters to you that much then get a Fiesta Econetic or a car from the 60s. 33 Million of us have to pay the road tax and we just get on with it. I dont do a huge amount of miles yet the disc on my car costs £265 thanks to the new bands, under the old system pre 2001 it would be cheaper, i know someone might pay less for theirs but do alot more miles, disproportionate, but in a free country i have the choice of whether to own it or not.

Bizarre.

Edited by jamie745 on 14/05/2011 at 13:59

Fuel Price Drop ? - quizman

Jamie, every Labour government has left the country bankrupt.

Then the Tories have to sort out the mess. It didn't help that our ex great leader signed up so we have to bale out Ireland, Portugal and Greece.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Every Conservative Government has left the public bankrupt.

Not that they'd care about that.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

Hold on its not a political forum I am a die hard blue conservative but on this subject I agree with Jamie its nothing to do with politics just a persons opinion.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

I dont agree with everything any political party says. I have several criticisms of the Labour Party and their decisions in government, there are some things i agree with the Conservatives and even the Liberal Democrats on, so i wouldnt call myself a die hard union man or any rubbish like that i just believe in stick with the devil you know than the one you dont.

But you're right its not a political forum, and my Ken Livingstone remark was just a referance to the former London Mayor's hatrid of motorcars and the fact he did everything to stop people using them. Ken is one of the few proper left-wing socialists left in the Labour party, the lone loony if you will. If i lived in London even i wouldve voted for Boris despite never having voted Tory in a general electon.

Theres alot of motoring policy i dont agree with, i feel theres too many zebra crossings, too many traffic lights, too many cycle lanes where the road isnt wide enough to accomodate it, too many of these stupid shared space schemes in which every town is doing their best to give you nowhere to park (encouraging you to shop online and put their town back in the dark ages, oh well, their choice) and other stupid policies like the bus lane on the M4, the idiotic town planners who think putting a crossing 20 yards from a busy roundabout just because 400 years ago it was a "public right of way" when common sense of it being a stupid idea to cross there should take precidence etc. I feel the scrappage scheme was an awful idea, it took over 200k perfectly usable used cars off the road, pushing up used car prices.

Overall, as far as this Government is concerned the best thing they can do for motoring in the UK in this next five years is just leave it well and truly 100% alone. Everytime some bigwig in a town planning office has a bright idea, it ends up making normal peoples lives more difficult. Just leave it alone. Thats all i ask.

My feelings on the road tax thing are well documented above, i also felt a while ago that the rolling 25 year thing for tax emption should remain. As it used to be when a car reached 25 it was tax exempt, but now its pre 73 is it? Something like that. Then again back then cars would rust and die long before 25, i wouldnt be surprised to see alot of todays cars still going in 20 odd years time, so it was probably changed to stop the Government losing revenue. As its not convenient for most people to own a car from the 60s is it? The last thing they wanted to do was make tax free vehicles be an easy option. Even VED Band A has a very limited choice of vehicles and the VAT on the higher price of a tax-free vehicle often makes up for it.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Dutchie

You are having a good go Jamie,reminds me a bit of myself when I was your age full of fire and passion.Cost me a few promotions but there you are you can't always be a sheep and follow the mass.

Just got back from shopping interesting debate going on here.My problem with this lot is Torys and Liberal that I don't trust them with the health service.This service will never be perfect but its the best we have.If I see a doctor I want him to concentrate on me and my health and not worry about a budget and how much the cost will be.Its good to see young people to be passionate about politics and all the difficulties socieity faces.Not all Tories are bad and not all Labour is good .Its a balance there will always be people who take advance of the bit of power they have.A mate of mine I have known him for years just won the council elections here he is a Labour man.I hope all the cuts to the vunereable people which was decided by the Liberals will be cancelled he assured me it will we have to wait.Back to fuel the price should drop but they are always quik to raise the prices but it takes forever to come down.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

In fairness my local Morrisons has gone from 139.9 to 134.9 in 8 days.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Yishirine

Gas prices sometimes goes down. But there are predictions that are personal opinions. Everything changes, it is a consistent thing and its nature. Gas prices remain high despite expert predictions . Gasoline costs stay close to what they were recently, regardless of gas costs remaining under $90 a barrel since early August. There are numerous elements leading to the stubbornness of the pump numbers.

Fuel Price Drop ? - madf

Quoting US figures for WTI oil is meaningless. US oil - WTI - serves less than 20% of US needs and world oil prices use Brent crude more than US crude as a base. Brent crude spot price was $111.92 last night. -

Discussing oil prices in isolation of exchange rates UKP/USD is meaningless.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Ethan Edwards

Couple of points to consider.

Gas prices might be so many bucks per gallon...your gallon is 3.8 litres ours is 4.545 litres.

Second oil is priced in Dollars. We have had considerable Quantitive Easing under the last lot of Evil thieving chancers known as Labour. Now this bunch of idiots are about to do the same.

Every time the Bank of England does QE or 'printing up more funny money' (The Zimbabwe solution) is done please do realise that the pound in your pocket becomes worth less and less. So it automatically raises the price of petrol, food, everything thats imported anyway..

It's no good railing at the big oil companies if your being lied to by the Government. The same government is effectively stealing your cash and over taxing you on the bit you have left. If you think petrol is expensive try looking at Westminster because thats where the guilty people work.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 22/09/2011 at 12:44

Fuel Price Drop ? - gordonbennet

[[It's no good railing at the big oil companies if your being lied to by the Government. The same government is effectively stealing your cash and over taxing you on the bit you have left. If you think petrol is expensive try looking at Westminster because thats where the guilty people work.]]

Excellent post EE, it's a relief to see the independent thoughts of someone....few people still able to think for themselves any more, simply repeating the mantra fed to them from all sources in many cases.

Fuel price wise one of my two local suppliers (not petrol stations, they are nearly always rip off prices) of LPG have recently reduced from 70 to 66p per litre.

I'll get me coat..;)

Edited by gordonbennet on 22/09/2011 at 12:51

Fuel Price Drop ? - Ethan Edwards

Thanks -

I'm deeply envious of your LPG price. The other night my usual suppliers pump had broken down, another was out and I ended up at a BP 77.9 my usual supplier is a Total at 73.9

I assume that you found a farmer who has a tank who sells to a few locals at cost? None near me I'm afraid. I've only ever found the one and he's located a fair bit off my usual commute.

Fuel Price Drop ? - gordonbennet

73.9 isn't bad, i have the choice of 72p and it's on my way to work, or 66p which means SWM and i swap cars for a day...which seeing as the cheaper site is manned by Polish staff who as nearly always are polite and helpful, we now do.

The sites are not farms, but suppliers of bottled gas and home heating fuels.

This may be the slowest loading site in the world but is worth the wait, don't bank on the prices being correct, accuracy depends on user updates, but click on the site and there's usually a phone number..

www.filllpg.co.uk

Edited by gordonbennet on 22/09/2011 at 14:01

Fuel Price Drop ? - rogue-trooper

Should heating oil and petorl/diesel go up and down in price in a fairly similar manner? At the beginning of the year K28 was about 55p ex VAT and today I was quoted 1.9p more.

Diesel was 10p a litre cheaper.

I know that heating oil does follow the market price very closely and goes up and down likee a yo-yo. If domestic heating oil does that, why can't petrol/derv?

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

I dont know if any of you saw Watchdog a few weeks ago but they compared the big six energy companies and did a graph of how their prices have gone up and down over the last couple of years and it showed all 6 raise and lower prices at practically the same time. If they were supermarkets we'd do them for price fixing.

On the subject of petrol it always annoys me when the price goes up everybody, particularly the media just plaster the oil companies names all over the news with stories of record profits (most of which arent from selling petrol, but the BBC leave that bit out) but if you go up to Joe Average and ask how much of that litre price is tax they generally dont know. When you tell them the price of the actual petrol is around 55p a litre and the rest of the 139.9p is tax, then their opinion radically changes.

Interesting story in the papers at the weekend of how bankers have allegedly blocked oil tankers from entering the UK in a bid to keep the price high or some such, i expect that one will run and run.

The Chancellor may have dropped the duty by 1p this year, but he put it up 4p a litre with the VAT rise in January, net result = 3p more a litre tax in 2011. Its even worse when its VAT because thats variable as a percentage of course not a fixed price, and the 59p a litre duty is also taken into account before the 20% is calculated, so we're being taxed on tax. If VAT was only applied to the product alone that would drop the price by a noticeable amount.

Stop swearing about oil companies, its the vultures in Westminster who are the problem.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Ben 10

"Interesting story in the papers at the weekend of how bankers have allegedly blocked oil tankers from entering the UK in a bid to keep the price high or some such, i expect that one will run and run"

Its true Jamie. People I know live on the south coast and will swear to you they see oil tankers waiting for weeks before bringing the crude ashore. Don't believe it, take a trip down to Southampton and take your binoculars.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

Germany cheapest electricity 16cents KWh

Uk cheapest 9pence KWh

If you had generating electrical company where would you invest ,the UK energy policy is an absolute shambles.

Fuel Price Drop ? - tmjs

You can track ship movements online:

www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

Let us know if you spot anything interesting.

Fuel Price Drop ? - rogue-trooper

I would have preferred if the Chancellor had kept his unmagnanimous gesture of 1p cut in fuel duty. To be perfectly frank, 1p is less usually 60p odd. Unless fuel prices drop by 20-40p then it is a hollow gesture.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

I'll be in Portsmouth on Sunday, reckon there'll be anything to see from there? Nothing surprises me anymore, but it does prove the price is artificially high, if anybody needed reminding.

rogue-trooper i think the point is that the Chancellor could afford his 1p duty cut gimmick because he lumped another 2.5% VAT on it a few months earlier. Any cut is obviously welcome but the fact is the price of the oil made up the difference within a day. Currently fuel duty still raises more than council tax and the last Government said it was to 'get people out of their cars more' well car ownership went up 7million and the other excuse was 'Green measures' when road transport is a minority cause of emissions, why isnt home heating subject to 250% increase via tax like petrol is? Epic fail on both counts.

In fairness i noticed Sainsbury's has gone down 3p here in the last week but if you do the maths, 3p means virtually nothing. I know if it goes up 1p it makes virtually no difference. It needs to come down around 40p to make a proper economic difference. Although every 1p is worth alot to haulage firms, even mid sized ones can have £50million diesel bills annually. Buses get 43% rebate, hauliers dont. Go figure.

Fuel Price Drop ? - expatsFL

"gas" down to $3.40 a gallon here.............hoot hoot

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

So about 60pence (UK) per litre then? Pretty much what ours costs before the Government get their hands on it.

Fuel Price Drop ? - SteveLee

After Brown managed to double our national debt during a global boom - BEFORE the "banking" crisis even happened, it's a wonder there's enough money around to keep the lights on. At least with all that public wastage, er sorry I mean investment - we have the best railways, roads, hospitals and schools in the world eh? It's not as if he just burned all the treasure he inhereted to buy votes is it? What a utopia we live in...

Remember the bad old days of 1997? Petrol was an extortionate 57p per litre and despite being the 4th richest country in the world and rising (now 6th and sliding fast) we had to throw puppies and babies on the fire just to keep warm. Damn those nasty Tories.

Fuel Price Drop ? - rogue-trooper

Tax us to get us out of our cars..... Well that's great when the transport secretary last week said that the train is a "rich man's toy". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/8760912/Trains-rich-mans-toy-admits-Transport-Secretary.html

Then you have examples like the "one way" bus route http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-14969321, so what really are we expected to do? I sometimes get the feeling that these decisions are made by politicians who work in London, with London in mind. When I lived there, there were plenty of alternatives to the car. Now I am in the sticks, there isn't an alternative.

I am fortunate enough to be able to afford to fill my car, but how some afford to(on top of alll the ever increasing bills) is a mystery.

Fuel Price Drop ? - rogue-trooper

PS: looked at the bus that goes past me......it would be Wilts & Dorset 118.....here is the timetable.....Any one spot a slight problem? http://www.wdbus.co.uk/site/uploads/publications/43.pdf

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Damn all politicians as far as im concerned, they've all done both good and bad in equal measure and both Labour and the Tories have taken us to hell in a handbasket at some stage. But financially there can be no question that New Labour's 13 years were an embarassment. Brown pledged to end boom and bust (his words, not mine) so doubled the national debt and drove a false economy of financial musical chairs based on constant borrowing.

At least with all that public wastage, er sorry I mean investment - we have the best railways, roads, hospitals and schools in the world eh?

Dont get me started on public wastage. Labour wasted so much money on useless rubbish made to look important, its even more annoying that the current Government more than a year on still havent shut down anywhere near enough of it, hopefully they'll get round to it before 2015. Theres better places to get the money from than trying to get it all from disabled people and benefit claimants.

Remember the bad old days of 1997? Petrol was an extortionate 57p per litre

To be fair, 57p a litre in 1997 was quite a bit, with oil rolling out at around $20 a barrel compared to a 2011 average of over $100. The escalator began to really bite as prices rose towards the end of the 90s and although Labour 'scrapped' it, we then had Brown upping it whenever he felt like it, as an 'environmental measure' as was listed in the 2007 budget as well.

Damn those nasty Tories.

Things werent perfect with them either, its never perfect with anybody. It went horribly wrong for the Tories towards the end of Major with market crashes, house prices plummeting, sky high unemployment (sound familiar?) and dont forget Labour won a record 418 seats so its fair to say in 1997 people had different opinions than they do now. Hindsight is magnificent. An interesting experiment was Nu Labour, but more negatives to take from it than positive.

I find it hard to support any party, they've all got things i like and things i dont. If i was to write down my own ideals i'll probably be ticking the Tory box more than any of the others (even more reason to not affiliate myself LOL!) even if i did think 'back the devil you know' in the last election but looking back at the last 13 years you have to hope Miliband and his muppets dont get back in, and that the Lib Dems have been dissolved by 2015 which they probably will be.

Edited by jamie745 on 23/09/2011 at 01:32

Fuel Price Drop ? - madf

"went horribly wrong for the Tories towards the end of Major with market crashes, house prices plummeting, sky high unemployment (sound familiar?)"

As usual you confuse factys with prejudice: Reality was exactly the opposite of what you wrote:

"On the other hand, it was during Major's premiership that the British economy recovered from the recession of 1990–1992. John Major wrote in his auto-biography that, "During my premiership interest rates fell from 14% to 6%; unemployment was at 1.75 million when I took office, and at 1.6 million and falling upon my departure; and the government's annual borrowing rose from £0.5 billion to nearly £46 billion at its peak before falling to £1 billion". [25 "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Major#Summary

Pity about Europe, sleaze and scandals then - a tired Government.

Fuel Price Drop ? - Ben 10

Seeing the way that the utility companies are taking us to the cleaners, am I alone in thinking that they should not have been privatised in the first place, and that maybe, re-nationalisation should be considered. An election winner with the voters?

I have nothing against competition when it comes to other areas that were privatised, but gas,electric and water, a big fat NO!

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

Unfortuneatly we have to buy the raw materials on the world market and at the moment we are paying far less than most of our near cousins that is why our infrastructure is in such a dire state,the utilites are taxed to hell and so are the consumers but none of the money is returned.

I repeat 16centsKWh in Germany and 9pKWh here a big difference.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Reality was exactly the opposite of what you wrote:

I couldnt care less what wikipedia thinks about John Major to be quite frank. And im not an idiot and can work out that when Labour (a party which lost four elections in a row before it) wipes the floor with you with 418 seats, common consensus among the public was that its about time you were replaced.

Edited by jamie745 on 23/09/2011 at 14:52

Fuel Price Drop ? - madf

"couldnt care less what wikipedia thinks about John Major to be quite frank"

Yes: a blind and deliberate lack of attention to facts...except when they suit your argument...

"And im not an idiot "

Well don't write rubbish.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

How is it rubbish? They lost, by the biggest margin in recent history, dont accuse me of being blind to facts when you're missing the biggest most important fact here! Major took the biggest beating by the electorate in modern history in 1997 so its quite obvious to anybody with a brain that the public had enough of him and his party. They lost three in a row (and didnt even win the election last year, i may remind you). So if Major was so magnificent and perfect with the UK in such terrific magnificent shape then why did they lose so badly? Answer me that. I'd love to know.

Im not saying it was right, but its obvious people had different opinions in 1997 than they do now. I dont have party affiliation but i do object to being accused of 'writing rubbish' when all i did was recite facts. If i was to sit here and say the UK was magnificent in 1997 with no problems at all, in the face of the election results of 97 i'd look a bit foolish wouldnt i?

Edited by jamie745 on 23/09/2011 at 15:08

Fuel Price Drop ? - expatsFL

Back to the op subject of petrol etc.

Remember when the price went over 1 pound a gall and we were all slashing our wrists. Oh they WERE the days. Then it went over 1 pound a litre a while ago. Can you imagine what the UK would be like economically IF we didnt have north sea oil/gas!

Fuel Price Drop ? - Ben 10

"Can you imagine what the UK would be like economically IF we didnt have north sea oil/gas! "

The OPEC countries citizens pay pence for gallons of the black stuff. We had our own for a while, but I don't ever remember reaping the cheaper benefits of it. France is no oil producer yet they pay almost the same for fuel as we do. Where was the benefit for us?

We have almost 300 years worth of coal in the ground we could be harvesting for our own goals or exporting at a premium to India and China. No, we'll leave it where it is because of the green bandwagon.

Fuel Price Drop ? - gordonbennet

[[biggest beating by the electorate in modern history in 1997 so its quite obvious to anybody with a brain that the public had enough of him and his party. They lost three in a row (and didnt even win the election last year, i may remind you). So if Major was so magnificent and perfect with the UK in such terrific magnificent shape then why did they lose so badly? Answer me that. I'd love to know.]]

Major was Thatchers fall guy like Broon was for the liar, the sop left holding the baby when the chickens came home.

What everyone wants to forget is that millions of them fell for the liars smooth snake oil sales shpeel, he told them what they wanted to hear...the turncoat Sun, murdoch again, backed him (you wouldn't want a Sun reader/writer back to back fighting to the last man with you would you), the rest of the media luvvies thought the sun shone when He bent over, and praise be we got Tone.

Don't for one minute think we've heard the last of the peace envoy, you've got to laugh, he'll lead this country down the toilet again i'm quite sure, from His throne ion the EU.

By the way for the record i haven't voted for any of the three main parties for more years than i can remember, the crusade against the miners proved to me the tories cannot be trusted to tell the truth, i've never trusted labour, and the libs are liars too...tuition fees?

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Major was Thatchers fall guy like Broon was for the liar, the sop left holding the baby when the chickens came home.

Oh of course, couldnt agree more. Blair timed his exit perfectly, Browns first week saw the West End bomb incident, Glasgow Airport attack etc, it began badly and only got worse as then the Banks collapsed, Northern Rock fiasco etc all mere months after Blair ran off. Co-incidence? No. Blair didnt see things like this coming? Yeah right.

Blair is one of the most slippery characters ive ever come across, trying to pin anything on him is like trying to nail water to a ceiling.

.the turncoat Sun, murdoch again, backed him

Murdoch backs whoever he thinks will win the next election to try and hold sway over the impending Government to approve his business deals. Allegedly he doesnt care for Cameron at all, he's not his type of person but he backed him because he knew he'd be the next Prime Minister. Murdoch's politics is whatever politics will get him what he wants, cant blame him for that.

Don't for one minute think we've heard the last of the peace envoy, you've got to laugh, he'll lead this country down the toilet again i'm quite sure, from His throne ion the EU.

That was joke of the century, a man who played a key role in two middle eastern wars then becomes Peace Envoy to the middle east. Only Tony Blair could do that. It encapsulates his Government's policy of creating a problem just so as they can invent a job for someone to fix what they created.

By the way for the record i haven't voted for any of the three main parties for more years than i can remember, the crusade against the miners proved to me the tories cannot be trusted to tell the truth, i've never trusted labour, and the libs are liars too...tuition fees?

In my opinion at the General Election any vote which isnt Labour or Conservative is a wasted vote. Like them people who thought voting Lib Dem was 'really a vote for Labour'. Alot of people demonise Thatcher today and some with good reason but you cannot argue that she had balls and did what she said she'd do, stuck to her guns no matter how unpopular a decision (often a right one) may have been. Not like this lot we have now who have an idea, receive negative reaction then backtrack so fast they need a beeping sound. Cameron is too wishy washy to be a 'proper' Tory prime minister, but he's a slimey PR man who (like Blair) can suck you in. The fact is, we got a Hung Parliament, we were told 12 months before we'd have one but instead of do something about it, all the parties blindly went along with it. They all now try to hold the centre ground and all agree with each other, which only helped to enginner a hung Parliament.

On the subject of the Lib Dems they are only there to make up the numbers, the Tories are in charge and have final say. Conservatives wanted to up tuition fees, they want people to pay for their education which is fair enough i suppose but the fact Labour introduced fees and the Lib Dems caved (without much option, frankly) means students now dont have their own party. Lib Dems relied on the student vote which is now gone. In general the Lib Dems are not my cup of tea so im glad they're being kept in their box for the most part. During the riots the Tories took centre stage as Law and Order is one thing they do very well, Clegg got told to p*** off by people he went to meet.

Overall, Labour's time was full of wasting money, endless needless laws, job creation schemes, constant taxes on everything they could find and (notably for this forum) a brutal, unwarranted, unjustified hatrid of the motorist and the motor car, which in itself contributed to the destruction of the economy.

Edited by jamie745 on 23/09/2011 at 19:51

Fuel Price Drop ? - Collos25

What are the last missives to do with the price of cheese.

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

I like cheese. Do you like cheese?

Fuel Price Drop ? - mrnikko

Brent Crude down to $103 a barrell tonight will the fuel prices at the pumps drop soon ?

Just seen PinK Floyds pink pig floating past my door

Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

It could drop to 50 a barrel and my Texaco would still put it up 1p!

But if Peston got on BBC with his weekly forecast of doom it'd go up like a shot.

Fuel Price Drop ? - mrnikko
Price for Brent Crude tonight is now 99 Dollars a barrel, this is the base that U.K. suppliers use for setting prices to distributors.
Now is a fuel price drop at the pumps on the cards or will the oil companies still use excuses to keep the price up.
Fuel Price Drop ? - jamie745

Gone down 7p in the last few weeks at my local Sainsbury's.

Just seen diesel at under £1.40 a litre at my local garage for probably the first time this year!

Fuel Price Drop ? - Smileyman
I wonder whether this is why Sainsbury emailed me today with a 10p per litre saving if I spend £60 instore .....

Also, I saw petrol at 130.9 at a Sainsbury fuel station today ....