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Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - ship69


Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway driving

Hi

I need some advice on what car (probably second hand) to buy.
My priorities are:

MOST IMPORTANT:
1. Low *overall* cost motoring
2. QUIET & comfortable with good ride on motorways (long journeys & making phone calls from car)
3. Good-ish acceleration (for safe overtaking). (0-60 in c.8 or 9 secs max)

DESIRABLE:
4. Ideally need a hatchback (for transporting larger items)
5. Good cornering (fun & saves fuel).
6. Cruise control (useful for long journeys)
7. Easy to park

WHAT DOES NOT MATTER:
- I do not care about make of car/image.
- I do not care what the car looks like.

BACKGROUND CONSTRAINTS:
- I am open to leasing, purchasing new or buying second hand.
- I have about GBP 10,000+ to throw at the problem.
- I do about 20,000 miles per year.
- I am in my early 50s.
- I have 3 years no claims bonus.

MY INITIAL THOUGHTS:
I have been advised to buy an old second hand Honda Accord, c. 1996 which apparently "never break down".

AVERAGE HISTORY COSTS:
I have just run the numbers for over the last 4 years, which are:
Depreciation: GBP 1,400 per year
Deisel: GBP 1,800 per year
Repairs/parts: GPP 2,100 per year

Current car: Golf TDI 1.9 (150 BHP I think).
Mileage: 16,000 miles per year (about to be 20,000)

DISCUSSION:
To me the huge surprise is just how small a proportion of overall costs is fuel - even now it's only about 33% !

Any advice?


John
John Smith

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - piston power

Keep the one you have get it fully serviced by vw or a specialist and run it to the death and save your 10k as the golf is more than enought to cope with motorway driving.

Should you need to have another the passatt ticks the boxes.

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - oldtoffee

I too was going to say keep your Golf but then I see you've spent £8k in parts and repairs over 4 years!!

Not sure about how small the fuel element of motoring costs are. I've recently ditched my company car diesel that averaged 41mpg. That would have cost me £4,300 in fuel this year. I've bought a 2005 Passat Tdi that does 52mpg driven the same way which will save me just under £1,000 a year on fuel. The 130 bhp engine, 5 speed box is alleged to be the best combination for performance, economy and potential reliability. Also available in many other clothes – Golf, Octavia, A4, and others. Not sure they'd meet your performance/handling criteria and the Octavias can be a tad noisy. My Passat is very good on the motorway. Obviously if I get a serious injector/turbo/dmf problem then I'll wipe out that fuel saving but that could apply to any car, especially a used diesel. A good petrol unit may use a bit more fuel but will be a better “bet” for reliability and the Japanese do them very well. If I did 20,000 pa and didn't drive a good chunk of them in France where petrol is considerably more expensive than diesel then I'd maybe go for an Avensis or Accord petrol and reset my performance/handling expectations!

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - NARU

Its the £8k in parts and repairs which is killing you. Some of that is inevitable - tyres especially.

Its interesting to see the fuel in the big scheme of things. I'm always amazed at the people who will spend £5k upgrading a perfectly good car to get 5mpg improvement in fuel consumption - when they only do modest mileage. You're obviously in a different position, with 20k a year to do.

Buying something which is just coming off one of the major lease companies (eg. Lex) at 3-4 years old and maybe 80,000 miles might be a good way of getting a car capable of another 80,000 without major expenditure?

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - NARU

Another option might be leasing. I've just looked at lings site, and she can do a new Vauxhall Astra 1.6 i 16v (113bhp) SRi Hatchback for £240 a month (3 year/60,000 mile contract). You'd have a few services and tyres to pay for, but repairs should be under waranty. She also does diesels - you'd have to run the figures to work out which was the lowest overall cost.

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - outlier

Its the £8k in parts and repairs which is killing you. Some of that is inevitable - tyres especially.

I would rather say "killed". Having spent (or "invested" 8k) then it maybe as well to get the benefit.

Fuel is small part of the total cost, even at todays prices. Look at prices of second hand diesels vs petrol, they are usually higher (or have double the mileage for similar price). So you pay more upfront for a diesel and have more reliability concerns. The thing is people notice the cost of fuel much more than other costs (as you get regular reminders).

In short, keep the Golf.

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - SteveLee

With that sort of mileage (similar to mine) I'd rather buy 5-6K's worth of Mondeo or Vectra - no point spending more and watching it depreciate with high miles, brilliant on the motorway and (especially the Mondy) entertaining in the corners. Slightly left field, the Vauxhall Signum is largely overlooked – huge boot – amazingly well equipped in the top-end models (excellent built in phone system on most “Elites”) and they are a bit sharper handling-wise than the Vectra for some reason – best bit – they're even cheaper than Vectras despite having more kit model for model!

Another overlooked cracker is the Honda Civic Type S 5 door. Punchy (mid-ranged tuned) engine but reasonably frugal, comfortable motorway car with its sensible profile tyres (buy one on the standard 16 inchers), utterly reliable and well equipped - good in the bends - again you'll get a good 'un for £6K.

The Accord is a good choice too. It looks classy, rides nicely at motorway speeds and doesn't go wrong.

I can scarecly believe the 2.1K annual year repair bills for your Golf – German engineering for you? My Jag XJ8 required £1,800 spending on it in £170K miles over 5 years, two wishbones (bushes), a set of front discs and pads and one wheel bearing and that was it other than routine servicing which was surprisingly keenly priced (far cheaper than Citroën charge). Other than the exhaust (£300), windscreen washer motor (£10) and a coil pack (£25), the C5 has had nothing go wrong with it mechanically in five years and I have to bump over a kerb every day to park.

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - gordonbennet
A slightly left field suggestion here, depending on fuel availability on your routes...indies considerably cheaper than service stations, i'm paying 70p per litre at the moment.

Have you considered getting a car already converted to or having a car of your choice converted to LPG.

Considering your high mileage you would benefit more than most, realistic payback in 12 months, and would open up a much wider choice of vehicle options.
Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - Roly93

How to you come up with the figure of £2,100 per year parts and repairs, this seems a bit steep.

I do 18K per year in my A4 and would only factor about £800 for servicing and tyres and that isn't skimping. If you are consistently spending £1300 on top of this for parts/repairs you must be very unlucky ??

I would say keep the Golf and change your garage..

Edited by Roly93 on 10/05/2011 at 13:05

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - Bobbin Threadbare

Get yourself a Mazda - 6 series for a decent size, probably a 2.2L diesel one as good economy. You can get low road tax on the newer ones too. I drive a 5 year old 1.8L petrol TS version and it's brilliant. I do 17k miles pa in it. I've never spent a penny on it besides the usual MOT/service each year.

A Mazda 3 is also worth a look if you want something more Golf-sized.

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - SteveLee

Do not under any circumstances buy a Mazda 6 diesel - hundreds if not thousands have blown up due to rising oil levels from failed DPF generations. Fine cars - shame about that (literal) bombshell of an issue.

Advice needed on low cost (mostly) motorway drivin - Bobbin Threadbare

I had read about that. There's tonnes of probs with the diesels pre-2009, but apparently they've ironed them out for the new releases (2011). My petrol one gets quite good mpg anyway.