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All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - mustangman

At my time of life, ie: balding but not to wrinkly, my vehicle really must have automatic transmission, due to traffic density & my wish to reduce driving stress.

So I need a b/c sized 5 door, with reasonable performance, quiet cruising and an efficient auto giving good mpg.

Now smallish cars with auto tend to be sluggish, and not very economical, largely due to the “traditional” torque convertor design soaking up the power, so what to chose ?

I run a VW Golf Mk6 1.4 tsi dsg auto, which gives good performance, 45 – 50 mpg, & you would think would be ideal for me, and in many ways it is good.

The problem lies in it’s dsg auto, which I’ve been struggling with for the two years I’ve had the car. In the 0-15 mph range the cars response to throttle input is entirely unpredictable, you never know how it will accelerate, you get either almost nothing or a large jerk and wheelspin. The dsg is also very bad at picking up from a closed throttle, and once again a large jerk is in order. Its goodbye to nipping into traffic gaps. 3 visits to the dealer proclaim that all is well, so nothing to be done there.

So what to replace it with maybe.

I tried a Prius yesterday, but came away very underwhelmed, you felt that you had to force the car to accelerate, with the attendant noise from the cvt. It was doing about 65 mpg which could be attractive in these days of the £1.40 litre.

Other possibilities, Kia Soul diesel auto ? Jazz hybrid ?

Thoughts ?

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Ethan Edwards

Nissan Note 1.6 auto I have the 2010 N-tec version.. Much zippier than you'd imagine round town Cruise control good for long journeys. I had mine converted to LPG so I run ireally cheaply.

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - colinh

My previous car was a Golf mk 5 2.0 tdi with dsg - ran it for three years, averaged 50.4 mpg over that period, and had no complaints in that time. Despite the rave reviews of the 1.4 tsi, it appears to be struggling in a Golf-sized car, probably more suited to the Polo

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - daveyjp
Mercedes A or B class - petrol and auto diesels available with CVT box.

If any of the diesels you are considering have a DPF be wary unless you do regular longer trips.
All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Stroudie

Ethan,

What mpg do you get from the Note on LPG, and, may I ask what sort of tank you have and where it fits?

I had a 10yr old Astra Auto converted in 2001. It did about 32mpg on LPG, but on a price comparison it was the equivalent of 90mpg on petrol.I put 100k on it without problems-absolutely loved it.

Sold it for £400 3yrs later and know it ran OK for another year.

I am thinking of going along a similar route again--make an economical car even cheaper to run, although many convert gas guzzlers to give the running costs of a smaller car

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - davmal

How about the Hyundai ix20 1.6 auto. Saw one in the showroom, quite impressive for room and access.

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Big John

LPG not as attractive as it used to be:-

1)The price of LPG seems to be gradually converging with the price of petrol.

2)Many of the latest petrol engined cars have very advanced fuel injection systems to reduce emissions that are by-passed when running on LPG, i.e. the drop in MPG on LPG would be greater on a modern design of petrol engine compared to one designed 10 years ago.

That said a Nissan Note auto still has a good old fashioned(ish) engine combined with a fabulous traditional auto box (torque) with overdrive. A colleague of mine has one (not LPG) that seems to have excellent real-life mpg.

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Ethan Edwards

Hi,

Course this all depends on how lead footed you are. Cost to convert £791.

MPG on LPG about 33-34mpg which works out at a petrol equivalent of 55+ mpg ish. The onboard computer says I get 40.9mpg but thats just wrong.

55 litre toroidal tank in the boot. I do a 75mile round trip every weekday. The price differential LPG v Unleaded has shrunk a bit. Why not get a test drive, the Note works very well for me. Lots of interior space ...er small boot though.

Hope that helps.

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Dutchie

What about the Honda Jazz ?We had ours for two years the 1.4 five doors CVT auto.

Very nice to drive smooth uptake on the auto box,We drove to the south of France and back besides everyday use comfortable car.

Also big boot and chairs which can go flat for extra capacity.I am thinking of going back to the Jazz in a few years the hybrid version.The only downfall is no spare tyre or a space saver which I dont like.

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Nissan Note on LPG - alno

Ethan, have you had any problems with your LPG Note. I have mine Note 1.4 on LPG for a year now and done arround 10k miles using flashlube for additional valve lubrication. Works fine. Does 35 MPG mixed driving on LPG. (LPG here is 63p). and soon will be checking the clearanses of the valves to measure the Valve Seat Recession rate. Any experience from your or any other Note LPG owners?

Edited by alno on 11/07/2012 at 12:25

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Nissan Note on LPG - madf

Toyota hybrids are an options: all autos.

All makes - Thoughts on small automatics - Nissan Note on LPG - Ethan Edwards
Yes at 30K I had some issues with some bent valve stems but I wasn't running any flashlube..then. When we opened it up I was expecting to see some VSR due to the symptoms but nope - none, nada, zip.

The bent valve stems though were a catastrophe.

Nissan claim it's the LPG I fail to see how they could bend from that. I saw that they are very thin stems indeed - IMHO I don't think they are up to the job myself. Good news for Nissan as they were able to weasel out of the warranty. Bad news for me.

Symptoms...stalling when cold won't idle, zero power etc. No compression at all on one cylinder and low on two others. Head needed repairing too.
Very heavy petrol consumption (seventeen mpg) which I was assured was due to the 'cold weather' 'nothing wrong with it sir'. Like running around with the choke out all the time. After that load of cods from the dealer , when it stalled driving out the car park just I lost it. So I took it to my local independent chap who did a proper job investigating it and so I had him fix it.
The block and cylinders were (get this) utterly unmarked. So bent valve stems, running like a sick pig but no other damage. The inside was covered in a carboniferous sticky gum from the excessive petrol usage.
Once it warmed up, switched over to LPG it actually ran better! Still way down on power though. I've had several vehicles on LPG with no trouble up to this one.

Running sweet now though. While it was in bits I fitted a driptube flashlube. If you take the head off make sure you get all the bits to put it back together first. The head gasket took ages to source and cost a shedload. The head also had to be skimmed and there's only about three thou of tolerance. Mine has used 1.5 of those. It now has nice new hard valve seats, some new valves etc Should be fine now. It does about 18K a year. I was without it for some time. Now I have the car and less cash!

Actually would have been quicker and cheaper to buy a used engine from fleabay!