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mark 4 golf 1.6 16v - cam belt - Marktwo

Hello there,

Can cam belts snap through old age ?

I may look at car tommorrow which is ten years old with under 30k on the clock,

I am concerened that the belt has been on there since it left the factory and ,maybe getting tired.

Regards

mark 4 golf 1.6 16v - cam belt - jc2

Yes-most manufacturers quote milage AND age.

mark 4 golf 1.6 16v - cam belt - John F

It would have to be pretty old! I never change cambelts - unless one of the things they drive fail, e.g.tension pulley, water pump. I think that as the engine gets older the belt must have an easier life as the things it drives loosen a bit. On this forum it seems as though they snap more on diesels.

Our old Passat's belt lasted over ten years and >240,000m [whining tension pulley needed replacing at around 160k], and currently our belts on the Focus 1.6 and Audi 2.8 are nearly 11 and 13 years old. The fan belt on my TR7 is over 30yrs old...as is the spare I have carried for nearly 30yrs![waste of money so far!]

Unless they are cheap copies of original equipment, cambelts don't just snap. Some sort of interference causes them to snap. I think they are designed to last the life of the engine. I think if anything needs changing it is the the things they drive, not the belt itself. If it looks 'worn' it is probably because there is a lot of resistance from about-to-seize stiff bearings of tension pulley or water pump, so changing the belt alone will result in a further appearance at the garage after a few thousand miles with a snapped cambelt!

mark 4 golf 1.6 16v - cam belt - 659FBE

I would like to agree with the previous comment, but in my experience the optimum is somewhere in between. Having been involved with diesel engine development, I would make the following comments:

The belts are indeed very durable and if correctly rated for their duty will practically last the life of an engine - PROVIDED nothing else in the drive train fails or degrades. This is the real problem.

We can neglect pressure lubricated cam and crank bearings - but not their oil seals. A leak here will kill a belt. Idlers and tensioners are usually sealed ball race bearings, grease lubricated. The grease will harden with age (engines are hot places) as the volatiles evaporate off. Seals will become less effective as their polymer running edges harden with age. Water pumps (some are cambelt driven) can develop leaks at the seal which usually means some water ends up in the spindle bearing. Finally, some designs are just unfavourable. The tiny anti-flutter roller which VAG fit to some of their diesel drives is too small and so, although very lightly loaded, it runs at an insane speed. Over time, the grease is centrifuged out of the bearing and an old one will rattle when you take it off.

Generalisations are difficult, but in view of my experience of the above, I would not leave any camshaft drive unchanged for the normal life of an engine. The VAG "4 year" rule is just a money making scam, but I would seriously consider changing all of the drive components after 6 years. Mileage depends on the design - which varies a lot but one point to bear in mind is that you can arrange an integer number of belt changes for your period of ownership if you know roughly at what mileage you intend to sell the vehicle.

659.

Edited by 659FBE on 24/02/2011 at 15:08

mark 4 golf 1.6 16v - cam belt - jc2

You also miss out the number of starts which will put a greater loading on the belt than continuous running.

mark 4 golf 1.6 16v - cam belt - 659FBE

There's not a lot of measurement evidence to suggest that the belt is more highly stressed under cranking or starting conditions. If the tensioner design is sub-optimal the belt may be loose with a cold engine, leading to the possibility of tooth shear.

The real problem other than the failure modes of the components described above, is drive resonance. It's very difficult to arrange not to have a resonance at some useful engine speed and high forces can be generated in the drive under these conditions. It is an important part of engine development to seek out and limit such resonances. Damped sprung tensioners such as the Litens are an excellent way of both regulating belt tension over a wide range of conditions and limiting potentially destructive resonances.

659.

Edited by 659FBE on 24/02/2011 at 16:11