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Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - joebett

Son-in-law got car stuck in large body of water, had to get towed out. obviously car wont

start, car is Petrol,08/08. What needs to be done ??

Edited by joebett on 05/02/2011 at 08:57

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - Collos25

If its sucked water into the inlet manifold then probably a new engine.

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - Peter D

The exhaust being under water is not a problem as such. I would be much more concerned that any bow wave may haveflooded into the air intake so I suggest you remove the air filter and see if it is wet. Dry all the elecrics out and take it from there. Regards Peter

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - joebett

The exhaust being under water is not a problem as such. I would be much more concerned that any bow wave may haveflooded into the air intake so I suggest you remove the air filter and see if it is wet. Dry all the elecrics out and take it from there. Regards Peter

Thank's for that Peter, I'm old enough to remember removing the Distributor cap going into

the house and drying it with a hair dryer !! those were the days.

The water just covered the top of the exhaust so i don't think it came up to the air filter, but I'm seeing him later today and I'll let you know the outcome. Thanks again.

Joe

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - joebett

Hi Again peter, I've just been informed that the engine is Locked ? This was from the Green Flag recovery mechanic !!!

Joe

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - dieselnut

Remove the spark plugs & air filter. Turn over the engine to expel water from the cylinders.

Check the oil level, if it is over the high level there may be a lot of water in the sump so oil & filter will need changing.

Dry out the electrics & plugs & turn over the engine to see if you have sparks.

If ok replace the plugs & see if it will start.

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - Peter D

Was the car just parked and the area flooded or was the car driven into the water, thus the engine lock. Did water enter the inside of the car. Regards Peter

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - joebett

Hi Peter, The car was driven into the water, no water entered the car cabin.

Joe

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - joebett

Thanks dieselnut, you are a prince.

Joe

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - Peter D

You may be lucky so do as dieselnut has suggested, but crank it over a lot with no plugs in then put back together with dry plugs. The risk is that when the engine locked it bent a con-rod. Regards Peter

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - joebett

Thanks Peter.

Joe

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - unthrottled

The intake is usually quite high up and it's not that easy for water to work it's way through the intake system. I wonder if the ingress was through the exhaust. At idle there's high vacuum and any valve overlap could draw water in via th exhaust port. Still, you'd have thought that the water would boil and form an air lock...

This is of course of no use to the OP-just thinking aloud.

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - Peter D

A vacuum in the exhaust. That's new to me, how to you think off roaders drive through water, they have an air intake snorkle but the exhaust remains under water. Regards Peter

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - unthrottled

Yeah, but most of them are diesel-probably no valve overlap, and little vacuum in the intake.

Partial vacuum pulses in the exhaust isn't as outlandish as it seems. The effect is used in high performance headers to help scavenge the cylinders. It was also used as a secondary air injection method in the 70s-thus negating the need for an air pump. The exhaust manifold contained valves which would open to quite literally suck air into the exhaust stream.

I wasn't questioning your advice btw. I was just pondering how the water got in!

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - Peter D

What has "little vacuum in the intake" got to do with it. As the exhaust maintains a positive back pressure how can they ingest water right back into the cylinders. I don't think so. Why would and engine be so timed that the engine induces spent exhaust gases that has no oxygen to support combustion. Regards Peter

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - unthrottled

Sorry, I should have clarified-I meant the intake manifold is under high vacuum when the throttle is closed. The exhaust ports 'see' the vacuum during valve overlap. There is an AVERAGE postive back pressure, but in each exhaust port, the pressure fluctuates above and below atmospheric. Since the exhaust pipe is usually only about 6 inches off the ground, it is easier for water to enter the exhaust-particularly if the vehicle is almost stationary-and there would be little bow wave. The exhaust ports (usually) are also at a much lower height than the intake pipe. Perhaps petrol offroad cars would be better fitted with exhaust snorkels instead of intake snorkels?!

The secondary air injection was used in US cars in the 70s. Federal emissions limits were much stricter than European standards at the time. Electronics were not good enough to operate a 3 way cat. The solution was to run the engine rich to keep NOx levels down. Air was then injected into the exhaust stream by vacuum or via a separate pump to oxidise the HC and CO via a simple oxidation catalyst. You are quite correct-the air did nothing to yield crankshaft torque.

OP-Sorry, this is really off topic. I hope your rods are fine and your car is back on the road!

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - bathtub tom

I have to agree with 'unthrottled'. I too was sceptical of stuff being drawn back up the exhaust, but emissions testing shows a leaky exhaust can adversely affect results.

I don't know if it can be to such an extent that it hydraulically locks the engine. I suspect in the case of the OP it may be more a case of a young lad being a bit economical with the truth about the size of the bow-wave.

Volkswagen Golf IV 1.4 - Stuck in water-over exhaust !! - jc2

Excactly-when I was in the business,it was astonishing how many engines "hydrauliced" when driven thro' 1/2" of water at 1 mph!!!