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VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - bk.bas

I have bought a 130PD Passat Highline 05 plate 70K miles FSH on variable interval-always had longlife oil according to the book and bills. This is my first diesel, and although it seems to go OK I feel that it is running a bit rough. There is a slight vibration (like a slight tingle) through the steering wheel at pretty much all revs and it feels rough acceleration through the gears, worse at low revs (<2K) and hard acceleration but then settles down when crusing at motorway speeds. | feels rough again when slowing down unless I drop a few gears to keep the revs between 2-3K. Can anyone tell me if this is normal, how smooth should it be, would it be worth getting a diagnostic run ? Seemed OK on the test drive but now I have done a few hundred mixed miles not so sure. any advice from the many experts welcome

PS A 160 miles run of A roads and some motorway gave me average of 43 mpg. Is this about right?

Edited by bk.bas on 18/12/2010 at 13:12

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - dieselnut

I have the same vehicle except Trendline ( basic) trim.

Although I would describe the engine as a bit agricultural in that it is not the quietest ticking over & a bit of a growl if given the beans, vibration doesn't intrude into the cabin to any extent.

I certainly wouldn't have to keep the revs above 2k unless needing extra acceleration or cruising over 60.

On a run you describe I would expect to get 55mpg as long as not exceeding 75mph cruising.

So I wouldn't be surprised if there was some problem with your engine.

You need to get the codes read from the ECU & get someone knowledgable with these engines to have a look & listen.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - Collos25

I would take it back from where you bought it and ask them to fix it you have by the sounds of it some quite expensive repairs on the horizon.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - bk.bas

private sale unfortunately. Test drove it and all seemed OK. All service records in tact and no obvious issues and In fairness it also seemed OK for 1st 60 mile trip from collecting it fine. Just seems to have developed this roughness after some longer runs....co-incidence or hidden agenda but I guess not possible to know until I can find out what the problems is? . What expensive repairs are you thinking it might be might be ?

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - dieselnut

If it wasn't for the poor fuel consumption I would say perhaps it was just getting used to a diesel after having petrol engined cars.

I have had diesel cars since early 80's so probably well used to their rougher running.

But this engine is just about the most efficient there is so the high consumption is troubling.

How did you check the consumption ? I find the computer to be quite accurate on mine to within a few %, but you really need to check by brimming which is difficult with the Passat.

There is a small black button just inside the fuel filler which you can depress with the filler nozzle, this will allow you to brim it by letting the air out of the tank, but only do this before a long run.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - Collos25

This model is renown for the pump going and its expensive and when it starts to disintergrate it gives the same symptoms as you describe.Thats worst scenario injectors,egr,airleaks,faulty turbo can all cause similar symtoms.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - madf

Havinh had an Audi A4 diesle, I found the engine rough but very economical.. 50mpg+

Impossible to live with the NVH in stop start conditions tho...

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - bk.bas

NVH? what is that. Consumption measured by trip computer, reset just before start of run. A303 then M5 then other a roads. not taking it easy and doing 80-ish on the M5, but I was booting it mainly to listen to the noise, see what it felt like etc. Will reset trip before next long run.

If it is pump, injectors etc will these show up on VW diag? What sort of price we looking at for a pump...is it normal to only last 70K miles?

Edited by bk.bas on 18/12/2010 at 17:14

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - dieselnut

NVH - noise, vibration, harshness,

These engines are PD - Pump Duse - so each injector has its own in-built pump, very reliable & very unlikely to give trouble at this mileage if genuine & correct PD 505.01 or 507 oil used.

I would brim tank before next long trip so you get the correct MPG.

You will then know how far out the trip computer is.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - 659FBE

It's almost impossible to diagnose a problem like this remotely with little evidence, but as I know this engine well, I'll make a couple of guesses.

Your fuel consumption is too high. Don't use the trip computer other than for relative values as it is about 10% optimistic.

At the mileage your engine has done, the cambelt should have been changed and it is important that the right tools and method are employed - otherwise running efficiency is compromised. Although the engine is timed from the crankshaft, the relationship between the crank and the cam has to be correct to enable the unit injectors to deliver fuel correctly over the entire range of timing advance demanded by the ECU. The camshaft timing can be checked using VAGCOM or a similar diagnostic package and it can also easily be reset in-situ unless it is a long way out. Slotted fixing holes are provided in the camshaft wheel to allow this.

A further possibility is intermittency in the injector wiring loom. This would also explain the vibration - which should not be there. Again, replacement in-situ is not too difficult or expensive.

The fuel system is reliable on these engines and there is no separate high pressure fuel pump. Take it to a good independent diesel specialist who knows these engines well and who has the diagnostic software. Guessing is expensive.

659.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - bk.bas
cambelt was changed at independant garage at 60K as per service shedule. Bills to prove. Assume was OK as same owner then did another 10K miles over 10 months. What I really need is someone who already has one or is familiar with it to take it for a drive and tell me what they think. Anyone live near Basingstoke or Bournemouth fancy a look?
VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - dieselnut

I'm in Crewe, Cheshire so not much good to you.

If there is no one on here who can help, try vwaudiforum.co.uk, another source of good info.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - bazza

I would go with 659's advice as he is a diesel expert. My experience is limited to driving the predecessor to your motor, the 1.9 tdi non PD, for several years. They certainly are not the smoothest of motors and coming from a petrol engine it will indeed seem rough. There is some vibration through the clutch pedal at idle and at low speeds but not enough to cause concern. I think the TDi is well known for being a little coa*** and unrefined. However it is still an excellent motor and should certainly return more than 43mpg. I've never seen less than 50mpg.

I had the belt changed a few years ago and the timing was incorrectly set. The motor was considerably rougher, noisier and hard to start until it was corrected.

Hope that helps

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - Peter.N.

From my own experience in other peoples VWs I would say that they are not as refined as the engines in the Peugeot / Citroen range which I run but a very good car nontheless.

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth pump -injectors NVH? - quizman
I've had a Passat PDI 130 since 2001. If you drive normally and don't baby it your fuel consumption in OK. All this getting over 50 is nonsense, you will have to drive really slowly to get over 50.
The only time I have ever got over 50 was in France when I tried really hard to get a good fuel result. It was boring, 43 is perfectly good.

My Passat 130 TDI is the best and most reliable car I have ever owned.
VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - Roly93

This model is renown for the pump going and its expensive and when it starts to disintergrate it gives the same symptoms as you describe.Thats worst scenario injectors,egr,airleaks,faulty turbo can all cause similar symtoms.

What pump is this ? These engines are not common rail...

VW Passat 130 PD AWX - VW 130 PD rough or smooth? - Roly93

This doesnt sound right, I've had 2 cars with this same engine, and although not the quietest engine on tickover, it is usually reasonable smooth and certainly minimal vibration in the cabin.

MPG is a bit low for one of these, but I dont know how hard you drive.

Rough running like this could be a bad injector or an injector wirting loom problem which is not unknown on these.