Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

My parents currently own a 1999 Fiat Palio Weekend estate which they bought in 2003. Need suggestions for a new car that will seat the 3 of us plus shopping and if needed can carry 2 more passengers plus their luggage. And have room to carry tall people if needed. Also a car that is easy for us to get in and out of since I have Spina Bifida and have balance problems and my dad who is getting close to 70 years old and has occasional hip problems. My dad says that he does not want a car that has too much glass like those cars with the big windscreen that goes up past the roof and a panoramic roof. Budget is between 7-15k. I have narrowed it down to these cars. Which one of these cars fits our criteria?

Citroen C3/C4 Picasso

Honda Jazz

Nissan Note

Renault Modus/Scenic

Vauxhall Meriva

Ford Focus C-Max

Skoda Octavia estate

Citroen C5 estate

Which one of these cars should we get? - ForumNeedsModerating

Ford C-Max - especially good for ingress & egress, with its slghtly raised seating/driving position, comfortable, good ride. Depending on estimated annual mileage, diesel engine is good, but petrol a possibility - and would be esp. good value as petrol.

C3 Picasso - tried one of these: excellent ingress/egress & ride quality, perhaps a tad small with 5 & luggage - just about ties with C-Max, but C-Max wins on running costs/availability/servicing etc.

C4 - huge panoranic windscreen - might exclude this for you, although very roomy

EGS (semi-auto) gearbox standard with salot of diesel models & might not suit.

I'd say Jazz would be too small - it's relatively low, will have a harder ride than C-Max & 5 with luggage would be a aqueeze. Nissan Note maybe 2nd choice, as with Renault selection, perhaps Meriva 3rd if especially good deal/dealer.

The Octavia, C5 - I've tried both & thought the VAG engineering on the Skoda attracted too many bad commeents about long term longevity, while the C5 was quite 'small' for its size inside & has a fairly 'sporty' cabin , i.e felt quite low & had to wiggle to get in.

Incidentally, I had similar criteria to you & bought a latest shape Mondeo Zetec hatch eventually - bags of room for five, huge boot, easy ingress/egress, excellent ride quality & fab 2-litre 143ps diesel engine - and v. cheap nearly used!

Which one of these cars should we get? - simondjuk
I'd have to steer you away from the Renault. The product may be OK but experience tells me that the dealer network and Renault UK are liable to fail to provide adequate support.
Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

A few weeks ago my dad's oldest brother and his wife along with my two aunts rented a Renault Megane II Sports Tourer here in Portugal where we live and I got a chance to ride in it a few times. Ride was very comfortable and smooth but getting in and out of the car was difficult because the ride height was so low that I had to push myself out of the car since their was no handle inside the door which their is in our Fiat Palio. I guess being a sporty estate car it was setup for a low ride. Actually Renault cars are quite popular in Portugal.

Anyway we don't need a big estate car or big mpv since our Fiat Palio is 13'5 ft long and 4'9 in height and boot space with the seats up is 352 litres and I am not sure how many litres it has with the rear seats folded down flat. So the C5 and Mondeo are too big. A car similar in size and in boot space capacity or a little more will do. Maximum length prefered is up to 14'5 ft long and little over 5'0 ft in height.

I am also considering a Ford Focus estate and a Toyota Carolla Verso . Are these cars any good? Also would having a higher ride height be better for people with back and hip problems?

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

Should we go the the new facelifted Ford C-Max or the old Ford C-Max? Diesel engine is preferred and either with a manual or automatic transmission. My dad knows how to drive with both transmissions even though most of the cars he has had were automatic except for one that was a manual. Plus my dad has owned a few Ford cars in the 60s and 80s and never had trouble with any of them.

Which one of these cars should we get? - terrierman

My parents currently own a 1999 Fiat Palio Weekend estate which they bought in 2003. Need suggestions for a new car that will seat the 3 of us plus shopping and if needed can carry 2 more passengers plus their luggage. And have room to carry tall people if needed. Also a car that is easy for us to get in and out of since I have Spina Bifida and have balance problems and my dad who is getting close to 70 years old and has occasional hip problems. My dad says that he does not want a car that has too much glass like those cars with the big windscreen that goes up past the roof and a panoramic roof. Budget is between 7-15k. I have narrowed it down to these cars. Which one of these cars fits our criteria?

Citroen C3/C4 Picasso

Honda Jazz

Nissan Note

Renault Modus/Scenic

Vauxhall Meriva

Ford Focus C-Max

Skoda Octavia estate

Citroen C5 estate

Ive Been running A C3 Picasso 1.6 diesel for a year and recommend highly, plenty of room, good visibility, up to 60mpg. The performance is decent and the ride excellent. Citroen usually have some good deals, especially on petrol Picassos.

Of your other options I have driven the Skoda and Honda. The Honda isnt all that roomy and compared with the Citroen the ride is very hard. I find the ride in the Octavia fairly hard with lots of road noise, though overall a decent car.

Which one of these cars should we get? - bazza

The Note will do it all, particularly with the 1.5 diesel or 1.6 petrol. Great room in cabin and flexibility. If you regularly take 5 plus luggage the C Max would be better.

I have owned both a Note and currently an Octavia. Completely different cars. Note is higher with much better access. Legroom in back better too. Octavia is terrific family holdall and workhorse but a lower, more traditional car. Yes, there is road noise but so too in the Note.

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

I have heard the the C-max is based on the Fiesta hatchback and S-Max, Is this true? A few months ago my grandfather rented a Ford Fiesta hatchback and his nephew drove it. The ride was smooth and since it had a petrol engine it was quiet. Hopefullty the C-Max will feel just as good on the road as the Fiesta felt while riding in it. Hopefully it will fit in our garage.

Is the Ford C-Max a difficult car drive?

Which one of these cars should we get? - AlleyCat`

I was going to suggest a Qashqai might be what you'd want as it is easier to get into and the seats are really comfortable. You would need to check the rear shocks were replaced under warranty if the car is a couple of years old as these were a known issue.

My dad (who has a bad back) wanted a C-Max but the ford dealer was a bit of a snot on a trade in so he walked over the road to the citroen dealership.

He's had a citroen picaso for the last 6 years which he likes. Personally i find the rear seats uncomfortable on longer journeys so that might be an issue. Also you take your chances on reliability (my dads has been solid as so far).

I'd be amazed if the c-max and s-max have the same floor pan as they are seriously different size wise.

Finally if you want peace of mind / warranty you might want to see what hyundai or kia have to offer. I think hyundai just released a mini mpv (i have no idea what they cost are like).

Edited by AlleyCat` on 28/10/2010 at 10:38

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

My parents don't want a SUV so the Qashqai is off the list and it looks too big to fit in our garage. Have already checked out Hyundai and Kia and from what I have heard is that Kia does not have a great reputation for reliabilty and quality.

I am still considering either a 2003 Ford Focus C-Max or a 2007 Ford C-Max(without the Focus name) I have seen a lot of these cars on the internet for decent prices.How reliable are these cars?

Which one of these cars should we get? - AlleyCat`

Fair enough they don't want an SUV.

You might also be surprised to find that the qashqai is actually smaller in length and width than the C-Max btw (i admit it is in the 10's of mm's). The DPF bit mentioned below doesn't apply to the 1.5dci up until This year (but does to the 2.0dci).

There is a cmax owners club forum (it seems you've already picked the car in your mind). They might be better placed to answer your questions?

Edited by AlleyCat` on 28/10/2010 at 14:15

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

I also forgot to mention that we are not very tall people. I am 5'3, mom is also 5'3 and dad is 5'5. His oldest daughter(previous marriage) is 5'4 and her boyfriend is 6'3. Youngest daughter(also from previous marriage) is 5'2 and her boyfriend is around 6'0.

I watched a video review of the Nissan Qashqai and It looks like I could get in and out of the car by sitting on the edge of the seat and push myself in like I usually with our car. Plus this car is around my height unlike most other SUVS that are usually taller.

But now that you mentioned the Nissan Qashqai being shorter and narrower than the C-max I might just consider it. I know you can get it with 4WD but I did not know that you can also get it with 2WD. I wonder if the 2WD version still has the SUV type suspension. I also know that this car is a hatchback with a higher ride height.

Which one of these cars should we get? - AlleyCat`

To be honest i don't own one so i'm not speaking with much authority about what they are like. With some of the things you mentioned it seemed like it might meet your medical criteria and the seats are fantastic (from my purely passenger experience).

The height aspect might be a bonus as the rear hatch doesn't open very high and i'd imagine is a head injury waiting to happen for 6 footers.

As to the suspension, it is the same on both 2 and 4wd models (i think). It is just something to check for if you decide on one.

Best bet would be go try a few out on a test drive and then go from there?

Which one of these cars should we get? - BigJohnD

C4 Picassos offer lots of space, comfort and toys. It's good design and generally very reliable. The 1.6 HDi is a terrific engine, but the 7 seater really needs the oomph of the 2litre.

Tyre life is decidedly average, and the price of 4 replacement Michelins (or other premium brand) will frighten you. The Exclusive has no room for a spare wheel because of the hydraulic rear suspension, so you get a can of gunge. (There's lots of threads on the site about the merits of this.)

The EGS transmission takes some getting used to - it is not a conventional auto - to drive smoothly, and there are many reports of minor failings such as software updates and actuator failings which spoil this otherwise award winning vehicle.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/citroen/citroen-grand-c4-picasso-23-01-09.asp

In the UK, the 7 seater is more popular, whereas in France it's the 5 seater.

There are still Citroën discounts, but carefully check the spec of a new car. Citroën are slowly down-specc'ing to save money. What you see in the brochure or what the salesman says is out of date very quickly. The price of genuine accessories can be very expensive.

EDIT - If a Qashqai won't fit in your garage, then I doubt a C4 Pic will.
Also, Qashqai diesels are renown for their DPF faults, and not suitable for frequent short journeys. http://forum.qashqaiclub.co.uk/dpf-problems_topic1152.html

Edited by BigJohnD on 28/10/2010 at 14:11

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

I am also still considering the C3 Picasso without the panoramic glass roof since my dad hates too much glass on a car. He says that it would make the car too hot in the summer. I think a proper electric sunroof that opens to let the air in in would be an alternative. I am not sure if that is an option Citroen offers.

Do any of the car models I listed come with an electric sliding sunroof?

Which one of these cars should we get? - AlleyCat`

Yes a few of the cars mentioned can be specified with an eletric (opening) sunroof but i have to be honest i'm struggling a bit to work out your criteria.

A Nissan note, Renault Modus or Honda Jazz is a serious leap from a Citroen C5 estate.

You are talking about cars that are a good 3 feet+ different in length and probably a good 6 inches different in width.

Do you have an area that has a lot of dealers in it where you can go view some cars at the w/e? Even without driving them it might help you work out what is just too small or large to be suitable.

Which one of these cars should we get? - barney100

I would suggest looking at a Volvo V70. for the money you have available, the Volvo would be a very good long term buy.

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

My dad's older brother said that Volvo cars are very expenisive to maintain and he owns a XC70. So We don't want to buy a car that will be expenisve to maintain in the long run.

Which one of these cars should we get? - Falkirk Bairn

Old model but new C-maxs around £13/15K

HJ Best Deals has several brokers shifting the old iron

Which one of these cars should we get? - Paul G1pdc

VOLVO.... I own a year 2000 v40 estate (92k)

my wife a v40 2004 estate...(31k)

we bought the second as the first has been amazing,,its now 92,000miles young, we are the third owners bought by us at 30,000 miles...servicing carried out by the local village dealer at £40/hr. the second car we drove 118 miles down to bournemouth to buy...nuts hu.....

costs spark plugs bought from the dealer £14 per set. windscreen wipers from the dealer £21 for a pair of fronts. Those prices are cheaper than Halfords. and the oil is also cheaper from the main dealer. biggest bill in our 7 years of ownership was under £300 for service/mot /cambelt. and its only been serviced once a year, no extra garage visits. tyres 16" dia. are between 50-120 each depending upon brand.

ok an XC60/70/90 will cost lots more, some being AWD and full of complicated toys and huge tyres but a normal volvo would be a lot less to run. But would still look seriously at a v70. there built to last, and will hold some value when they hit 100,000 most french and even fords will often be overlooked when they get to that milage..

.. yes I've owned more interesting cars from Fiesta RS turbo, to mk1 MR2. and 205/306/ golfs/polo, escorts/mondeos impreza etc etc etc...

but the volvo was the first time we've bought another car the same as the first as its been so good.....we only replaced the battery at 9 years old on mine because we thought it would be a good idea not because it had failed. the exhaust for the almost 11 year old car is the original and shows no sign of rust.....my mums low milage KA eats exhausts

have fun finding the right car Paul. ok volvos might still have a pipe and slipper imagine but since fords ownership there coming along, and you can always find photos of when they won the British Touring Car Championship in 1997.

a v50 might even be worth a look at. they started making those in 2004/05 when the v40 was phased out. brother in law has the 2 litre diesel v50 and had no issues in 65,000 hes owned his company car,,and hes drives his cars hard. his last seat leon go faster model used to eat tyres at 12,000miles per set...his volvo is taking his driving in its stride....imagine what it would be like if someone looked after it hahaahah

Edited by Paul G1pdc on 28/10/2010 at 17:32

Which one of these cars should we get? - Falkirk Bairn

. the exhaust for the almost 11 year old car is the original and shows no sign of rust.....my mums low milage KA eats exhausts

Ka eats exhausts - probably due to lots of short journeys and the back box fills with condensation

Which one of these cars should we get? - corax

a v50 might even be worth a look at. they started making those in 2004/05 when the v40 was phased out. brother in law has the 2 litre diesel v50 and had no issues in 65,000 hes owned his company car,,and hes drives his cars hard. his last seat leon go faster model used to eat tyres at 12,000miles per set...his volvo is taking his driving in its stride....imagine what it would be like if someone looked after it hahaahah

One thing to be wary of - I have heard from owner reviews that the DPF on 2.0D V50's has to be replaced at 100000 as part of the service at £1000 a throw (just for the DPF). Maybe someone can prove me wrong on this, as that sounds like a good excuse to get rid quickly when approaching that mileage...

Which one of these cars should we get? - KB.

No-one's mentioned the Skoda Yeti 1.2 TSI "S" trim petrol manual at £12,926. From Drive the Deal.......going all the way to well over £20k.

Likely to be a long wait though......proving very popular.

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

Like I have mentioned, dad does not want an SUV because it does not suit our kind of lifestyle.We only drive 20,000km a year. Still considering the C3 Picasso even though mom does not like the shape too much but does does, especiallyl ikest he tail lights. But like I keep on saying so long as it gets us from point A to point B that's all that matters.

Which one of these cars should we get? - KB.

But the Yeti isn't an SUV. .....and you've said you'll look at the Qashqai. If the Yeti has to fall within a category it could be a 'Crossover.' Higher seating with good accessand estate car styling, with 2 wheel drive or 4 wheel drive, petrol or diesel, manual or auto. Can't see why an annual mileage of 20,00km a year (which is about the average mileage in the UK) would, in itself, dictate what you choose. You've said that you're mainly concerned that it gets you from A to B and have offered a list covering a diverse, and not particularly well defined, range of cars. You've, rather strangely, asked if a C Max is hard to drive?? Maybe you need to go back to the drawing board and redefine you requirements as it seems that everyone , despite the best of intentions, is going round in circles.

Which one of these cars should we get? - Festina Lente

As a thought, if the originator of this thread can't decide between the Picasso C4 (with large windscreen) and the Picasso C3, how about a Berlingo, which has the same chassis and engine as the Picasso C4 and lots of room for 5 people. It's cheaper than both C3 and C4 Picassos and I find ours (badged a Peugeot Partner Tepee but otherwise virtually the same) a relaxing car on a long run. Park C4 beside Berlingo and compare the spec sheets!

Which one of these cars should we get? - Dutchie

Hello.

All cars will get you from A to B.Its how you want to get there.Have a look at the Citroen range for comfort like other backroomers have mentioned.The only way to find out is have a test run and enjoy the ride as they say.

Good Luck.

Which one of these cars should we get? - Avant

I agree with Dutchie: particularly as ease of entry and exit is crucial, you need to try various cars out and see which is the right height.

The C-Max (based on the Focus, not the Fiesta) is probably a good bet as you neither climb up into it nor lower yourself down to get in. Unless you do a high annual mileage, go for a petrol engine, as many diesels are liable to expensive failures as they get older.

I haven't tried a C3 Picasso but the same may well apply to this. The panoramic windscreen needn't be a deal-breaker as there is a blind which can be pulled over.

The Berlingo and Fiat Doblo could be worth a look, but they are on the narrow side if you often carry 5 people.

Which one of these cars should we get? - George656

Thank you all for your answers. I have decided to go for the Citroen C3 Picasso.

Which one of these cars should we get? - Harry Boy

Thank goodness that's over, more red herrings than an Agatha Christie whodunit!