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I've had it with wheel alignment - pullgees

The tyre fitters never get it right, It's not just my present car, I can't remember a time when I've had the tracking done and the car drives straight.. I'm sick of wasting my money.

So I've come to the conclusion that every vehicle has it's it's own individual optimum setting. The tyre bays don't road test they just go by manufactuirerws specs, but I have a theory that after a while cars get distorted through wear and tear even if there is nothing slack to do with the steering. For instance when a car is on its jack sometimes the doors wont close properly. Now all that weight is suspended on a very small point and that can't do the overall geometry any good and hard driving, rough roads must take its toll.

The only proper way is to road test afterwards and then tweek the adjustment if it's not right, road test again. This ofcourse would be very expensive but if it saves youn tyres it could be worth it.

Edited by pullgees on 15/07/2010 at 20:39

I've had it with wheel alignment - Pat L

What annoys me is that when they do the 'free check' they always find that "your tracking's out, mate". So you have it done and the steering wheel is always slightly off-centre afterwards. I once had the tracking done on a Merc 190 and the steering wheel was off by about 1/8 of a turn - very irritating. I ended up having the tracking set at a main dealer.

I've had it with wheel alignment - Tim16V

You need to take your car to a specialist that has the latest proper full laser alignment kit. It's wall mounted and they hang these large plates on the wheels and the lasers continually flash light at them - this is not just putting those small frames on the wheels and doing it by eye. All this costs about £25 inc.

I've had both our cars done by these experts and the improvement is significant - sharper, centralised and the steering feels 'even' and actually lighter too. Tyre wear is even. They also provide a print out of the whole car's geometry and the before and after picture. Whenever I get a new car, I arrange for this early on and the print out always shows it's miles off manufacturers spec before it goes in.

Don't give up on this - I can recommend somewhere if you like but that might be against forum rules.

I've had it with wheel alignment - BorisTheSpider

I'm fine with it, as you have been an active member for a long time, therefore you’re probably not advertising a business you work for. The business name, location should be fine.

Regards

Boris (Moderator)

I've had it with wheel alignment - retgwte

see

TRACKING AND ALIGNMENT: Where can I have my car’s suspension properly laser aligned?

in honest johns FAQ list

I've had it with wheel alignment - Tim16V

I recommend Micheldever Tyres, Micheldever, Hants for laser alignment - been going there for years. You can just turn up for front toe but I think need to book to have all four wheels done. It gets very busy there though so you may have to wait.

There is already a link to their web site in the tracking and alignment area mentioned above.

I've had it with wheel alignment - jc2

Many modern cars do not have adjustable rear suspension(twist beam etc.).A GOOD garage should know which ones have this and not charge for rear alignment.Anyway,I'd rather use an experienced man with basic equipment than a kid with a computer.Remember,if you pay peanuts,you get monkeys.

I've had it with wheel alignment - cheddar

I have had a four wheel alighment done on a couple of occasions though have usually done the front myself by keeping an eye on tyre wear, the way it drives and whether it pulls one way or another.

I've had it with wheel alignment - jc2

Exactly;if your tyres wear evenly and the handling is OK-it's a waste of money having it checked.

I've had it with wheel alignment - Tim16V

Each to their own.

I think £25 to have the car set up properly by a professional, experienced technician using state of the art equipment that removes 'irritating inconsistencies' in the way a car feels and drives is good value. It's probably recoverable in fuel cost and tyre wear over a couple of years or so anyway.

I've had it with wheel alignment - pullgees

Assuming all is right at the front end as far as you can tell i.e, steering linkage, ball joints, tyre pressure, even tyre wear etc, you have had your car "wheel aligned" at a tyre fitters and you drive off only to find it's still pulling to one side did they check all the following? www.familycar.com/alignment.htm, (A Short Course in Wheel Alignment). No? Well that's what it takes to get it right.

Edited by pullgees on 17/07/2010 at 17:04

I've had it with wheel alignment - Hamsafar

You mean the steering wheel is crooked after having the tracking set?

This is because the steering wheel wasn't held straight when the tracking was adjusted, so now although the tracking is correct, it has been set with the wheel crooked. This is not the same as having a crooked steering wheel because the tracking is out.

It is still bad, but not as bad as being out of alignment down below.

I've had it with wheel alignment - galileo

You mean the steering wheel is crooked after having the tracking set?

This is because the steering wheel wasn't held straight when the tracking was adjusted, so now although the tracking is correct, it has been set with the wheel crooked. This is not the same as having a crooked steering wheel because the tracking is out.

The usual reason for this is they do all the adjustment on one track rod instead of half on each - a lazy short cut I've caught them doing a few times.

I've had it with wheel alignment - Cliff Pope

Make up your own wooden or steel jig and set it yourself. It doesn't need high precision optical equipment - if you look at the specification it will say something like 2mm +- 1.5mm. You could measure that accurately enough with a school ruler.

I have never seen a garage set steering tracking who appeared to have any clue how to do it properly. They never understand the importance of adjusting each side equally.

Also:

1) the car has to have been brought to a gentle stop in a forward direction - not slammed to a halt.

2) Jack up each wheel, check for rim run-out, and position any run-out at the top or bottom.

3) Car has to be averagely loaded - tracking varies slightly with number of passengers.

For a proper set up they should spin the wheel from lock to lock to establish the centre position. Check the steering wheel is centralised. Lock it in the centre position, then check that each wheel aligns straight in relation to the rear wheels. Then check tracking as above, adjusting evenly each side.

Once done, monitor the tyre wear with a gauge to pick up early signs of misalignment.

It's all easy DIY stuff, but they try and con you that it's rocket science.

I've had it with wheel alignment - piston power

Took the works van to kwik fit they had it on the ramp 2x front tyres on then let it down and put the gauges on!

I said are you not going to level the suspension before you do that ie: drive it off the ramp then back on?

The guy looked at me like a moron till his supervisor said he was the apprentice! old apprentice.!!!!

I've had it with wheel alignment - no frills

I totally agree, I can check my own tracking and it always goes out over time but very gradually as bushes etc ware, whenever I fit a new lower arm etc this always seems to put it out, with all new bushes it always goes out a little quicker for the fisrt year as the new unstressed bushes give to the stresses and geometry of the particular vehicle and then settle into their own position depending on those stresses and state of other bushes etc.

I agree that a well used vehicle develops it own optimal tracking setting as all the suspension parts are subjected to the typical loads, driving style and typical road conditon of a particular driver. If you find an optimal setting that gives more even tyre ware I say use it as long as it is within the checking tolerance specified by the manufacture. Change just one part, tyres bushea or springs etc of coa*** that optimal setting will probably change too.

I prefer road testing to ultimatley check steering wheel centering whilst all the suspension components are been stressed by driving and this also takes account of any effects from the particular tyre ware, then small tweeks may be required.

I've had it with wheel alignment - no frills

I stopped paying for tracking checks when I caught a clown at a local service provider who had put gauges on my wheels with a contact pin sitting on one of the lead balancing weights, he had completed adjustments and then refused to recheck when I raised it with him that he had not located the guages properly on my rims, Steering wheel was off centre.

Went back a week later and another guy agreed with me about the balancing weight and rechecked then adjusted it again, steering wheel was still a bit off centre. I also asked when were the laser gauges last calibrated and he said they had not had to calibrate them for the 3 years they had them, so that was that, diy method used since, bit fiddly and time consuming but I know its set right.

I've had it with wheel alignment - no frills

I now have the perfect answer to wheel alignment, a diy laser gauge called Trackace. A mate sent me an email about this and I studied how it worked on their website, although i could not see why it would not work I was still sceptical, new invention and all that, probably because it sounds to good to be true plus there are no reviews cos its brand new. £85 for laser wheel alignment, worth a punt for me as Its springtime when I like to give all 3 cars in my household a go over, Ive got to say it is excellent, had 3 cars set bang on in one one afternoon, doddle to use after a few goes getting use to how sensative it is. As far as confidence in its accuracy, If you get one just set up on something square, i used our coffee table in the front room, and it reads bang on zero, I haven't seen mine for two week cos its doing the rounds with all my mates and all really rate it. Wish this had been out years ago, probably makes some expensive equipment obsolete.

I've had it with wheel alignment - no frills

OOPS, didn't say where it is, www.trackace.co.uk

I've had it with wheel alignment - Cymrogwyllt

Tracking setting is only as good as the person doing it. I had a car that was 'tracked ' by several places using lazers etc. No success judjng (sp???) by the palm on the tyre test. I took it to a place that used the old optical method and they got it spot on

I've had it with wheel alignment - no frills

This is my point, I know in the past I have paid for a poor service, either a bad mechanic, poorly calibrated gauges or both. Laser and optical commercial gauges us the same calibration principle that is error prone even with the most conciencious mechanic, Calibration process can be completely missed out and often is as when they rely on the last calibration. The trackace calibrates to zero by laser over a very long distance and is aways carried out automatically as an integral part of the tracking check process. The confidence that can be had in this diy kit is plain to see.