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Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - glitterdebbie
I parked my car legally by the side of the road in Harringey, London, and went on holiday for 3 weeks. When I got back, my car had been removed for the council to paint double yellow lines on that stretch of road, where there had been no parking restrictions before.

I was given a Metropolitan Police Fixed Penalty Notice (£40), which I felt was unfair as I'd parked my car legally, so the case is going to court. The alleged offence is that I "caused a vehicle to stand on the road so as to cause an unnecessary obstruction in that the vehicle was obstructing a yellow line painting operation."

There were no advance warning signs up when I parked the car. 11 days after I parked the car, the removal and line paining took place. (The police statement says the council put up signs 2 weeks previously, but i don't think that's true.)

If I lose the case, I'll have to pay court fees as well as the fine.

Anyone got any idea what my chances are of getting off?
Anyone any idea how much the court fees will be if I don't?

Thanks
Debbie
Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - Dwight Van Driver

Your on a hiding to nothing Debbie and in the lap of those on the Bench when your case is heard..

Much has been said in the High Court on what is 'obstruction', Lord Parker has said:

"Whilst there must be proof of unreasonable use whether or not user amounting to an obstruction was or was not unreasonable use was a question of fact , depending on all the circumstances, including the length of time the obstruction continued, the place where it occurred , the purpose for which it was done and whether it caused an actual as opposed to a potentuial obstruction [Nagy v Weston 1965]

In [Solomon v Durbridge 1956] a driver parked in a line of cars for FIVE hours and left it there. It was argued as ihe vehicle was ina line of car - not causing an unnessssary obstruction. Higgh Court disagreed- clearly caused one.

In a Scottish case, where there is no actual physical obstruction, a conviction should follow ONLY IF IT has been brought to a motorists attention, e.g. my Police warning or by Notice or sign [ MacMillan v Gibson 1966) Although this was a By Law Offence.

As I see it the damning feature in this case ( and they would have to prove) is that the car was virtually abandoned on the Street for 21 days whilst you wre on holiday. They will no doubt prove the signage and for a number of days the car was not moved..

As to sentence it will depend on what Act they used (1) Highways Act, (2) Town Police Clauses Act or as I suspect MV Con and Use Regs (RT Act) for which the maximum fine is £2,500. Not that I suspect they would impose the maximum. Under sentencing guides they woukld access what coinage you have and fine accordingly. No pionts are involved.

Just wonder why they did not uplift the vehicle and take to pound (costly) They had the power.

As I said could go either way but I think your wallet may be ubnder attack.

LucyBC will be along when back in the office possible with a different perspective.

dvd

Edited by Dwight Van Driver on 04/07/2010 at 09:10

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - Simon

Although you are probably right from a moral point of view I think that it could get quite messy and complicated. Am I right in thinking that all you will be out of pocket is £40 if you pay the fine? If so then I think I would just pay up and put it down to experience as you can't prove that there weren't warning notices put up 14 days prior to the work being carried out.

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - glitterdebbie
If I plead guilty now, I'll have to pay the £40 fine and £85 legal costs. I'd be very unhappy forking out £125 for doing nothing wrong.

But it would be painful to pay more if it goes to court and I lose.

At this stage, I need to decide my plea. And they've only sent me the papers a couple of days before I have to reply. Seems deliberately sneaky, so I don't get time to get legal advice!
Debbie
Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - LucyBC

DVD's analysis is correct. There are statutory requirements that a council must comply with in these circumstances but if they did comply with them a £40 fixed penalty looks like a bargain.

At best you are looking at 50:50 and if I was looking at realistic prosects for success on the limited basis of what information we have now I would put your chances at less than 10%.

Edited by LucyBC on 04/07/2010 at 21:31

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - glitterdebbie

Oh dear! Doesn't sound hopeful.

For the lines to be painted, my car was lifted and placed on an area of street parking with parking restrictions. My car then got lots of tickets, before being taken off to the pound. the council waived the release fee and sc***ped the tickets. I guess that gave me hope that the FPN would be contestable! But looks like I was wrong.

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - glitterdebbie
VICTORY!
I'm just back from court and was let off the fine.

I think key points were that I had a letter from the council giving the date the warning notices were put up - which was only seven days before the yellow line painting, rather than the two weeks the police said. And the posting date was after the date when I parked my car. I had to writing to the council twice to get this information - but it was worth the perseverance.

And the other significant point was the police stated that they moved some of the cars on that patch of road to paint lines and then put them back. No ticketing- because they were considered to be commuter's cars rather than abandoned. This point only came out in one of my last questions to the policeman witness - I nearly missed it! So my car should have been in this category.

It was a lot of hassle in relation to the £30 fine saved - but I feel satisfied that justice was done. Its been a learning process to see how intimidating the police/legal system can be over a small case like this - so the police aren't called to account as often as they ought to be - and I feel pleased to have stood my ground. and been vindicated. PEOPLE POWER!
Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - LucyBC
Well really well done. I am always pleased to be wrong in these circumstances and your case shows the importance of hammering away at the details.
Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - Dutchie

Same here well done glitterdebby,you are a fighter :)

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - Dwight Van Driver

As I said it would be in the lap of the Gods at Court.

They were there and smiled on you.

Thanks for the update. Well done

dvd

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - Ubermik

Just noticed this thread and doesnt anyone else also think its a bit ridiculous to begin with

If you own a car, its taxed, insured and MOT'd you SHOULD be able to do whatever you want with it within the usual confines of the law

If for whatever reason you want to leave it in a legal parking place for the entire 12 months and not drive it thats your choice or should be. If you bought a TV and licence then didnt watch it for 3 months and got a fine that would be ridiculous too

As long as the vehicle was insuted, taxed MOT'd and a reasonable explaination for why it wasnt moved is given it should have just stopped right there and then and shouldnt have gone anywhere near a court IMO

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - gfewster

How do they move cars to paint lines? Is it legal? What if they damage it?

What if the handbrake was on and (it being FWD) it had been left in gear? You couldn't roll it by lifting up either end, you'd need some sort of crane????

Police FPN - Car Obstructing Yellow Line Painting - LucyBC

They pick them up and put them on a lorry. It's not complicated. Just like any tow away.