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What car next? - gramar

Being financially restrained, but no through choice, 18 months ago I bought a 6 year old Citroen Xsara HDI110, one owner, low mileage. It has just this week broken down (again) with no warning and left me stranded on the A14.

The fault this time is electrical necessitating a repair to the ECU - earth pin on number one cylinder injector.

Much as I love the old barge, I don't have faith that this car won't fail me again. It has a small oil leak coming from somewhere behind the engine block (gear linkage?) and drips occasionally on the garage floor so I am thinking of changing it when the road tax expires at the end of July. Our other, recently acquired car is a 2005 Suzuki Ignis which I enjoy but is a bit lacking in torque after the Citroen. I recently had use of a Citoren C1 courtsey car and loved it (the Xsara was in a Citroen dealers for another electrical fault repair). My question is this, I would prefer to buy another smaller car preferably petrol however, I commute 80 miles a day to work - we use the Ignis at weekends so my annual Citroen mileage is 12-13,000 miles. My budget is limited to £6k. We had several years with a Kia Pride as a second car, it was cheap to run and very reliable. Does anyone have a recommendation for a small car?

Edited by gramar on 29/05/2010 at 08:17

What car next? - bintang

The Hyundai i10 has often been recommended on this site, in fact I think HJ called it "the best small car". Judging from my i30, the build quality should be excellent. For any car considered, try to get a long, unaccompanied test drive. I got a whole day, and a full tank of petrol.

What car next? - Avant

The i10 sounds ike a good idea - the only thing is that there may not be many nearly-new ones around as there is a long waiting list for new ones. Anything brand-new for £6k will be limited and not very comfortable or powerful enough for a 40-mile drive twice a day.

Newish Toyota Yaris (go for the 1.3) or Suzuki Swift or Skoda Fabia could be the best bet - or Mazda 2 if you can get one for £6k.

Edited by Avant on 29/05/2010 at 12:35

What car next? - Glenn 42

How about a 12 month old i 20, which is a bit bigger and has a more powerful 1.4 engine. You still have the warranty and you get a lot of car for the money, as I've found from Hyundai, and the dealers are usually very good. Yet the i10 isn't bad new if you want a simple, economical car with an excellent warranty and good equipment levels for six grand. My views on Hyundai are best to get one new or nearly new and sell before the warranty expires as they are good up to 5 years old.

What car next? - oilrag

At the time of writing - £5,795 will buy you a brand new Panda 1.1 Eco from fiatsupersaver.

We bought one, although from a local dealer and are very pleased with it.

Edited by oilrag on 29/05/2010 at 21:47

What car next? - Avant

Oilrag - if you see this, it could be that what I said above about new £6k cars.....

"Anything brand-new for £6k will be limited and not very comfortable or powerful enough for a 40-mile drive twice a day"

....is unfair to the Panda. I'm sure it's brilliant in town but is it OK at motorway speeds as well?

Any thoughts?

Edited by Avant on 30/05/2010 at 00:53

What car next? - oilrag

Hi, Avant. I guess it`s quite subjective really. When I was working I once put 87,000 miles on a 2CV, in three years. It had regular 520 mile (return) runs to South Wales and we also went to the South of France in it.

Mrs O`s Panda is smooth at an indicated 80mph and is more comfortable (supple suspension) than our Punto Van. It`s the Punto van though that is the `Continental Tourer`

We`ve been lucky really, financially, and could go out and buy a new top of the range Luxo motor for cash and not be affected. But we choose a Panda and Punto Van.

(The van because I want the option of 70mpg + with the covered carrying capacity of more than the larger cars)

Perverse sounding - maybe. But sheer logic in the choices for their use.

One thing about the Panda to consider though is the driving seat. I`m 6`2" and only 11stone but fill the width of the driving seat base.

I would not hesitate to use our Panda for motorway trips of hundreds of miles - but as I say, It`s subjective.

With the Panda being galvanized and having that simple Fire non interference belt design - I believe it`s as good as you can get for someone who wants to minimise risk of unexpected expenditure, out of the 3yr warranty.

The other good thing that I always consider is how long has the production run been?

With the Panda (and Punto Van) being produced for years - body parts in breakers should be no problem as the cars age.

What car next? - gramar

Oilrag

Thanks for the helpful report on your Panda 1.1 eco. I have considere the Panda. Two yeears ago I had a short, accompanied test drive in a brand new demo 1.2 Dynamic (13 miles on the clock) and would like to try one again with many more miles to get an idea of how a fully loosened up one feels. I am 6 feet tall, eleven and a half stone and found the Panda comfortable too.

What car next? - oilrag

Hi Gramar, we purposefully went for the 1.1 to avoid air-con and also bought it without metallic paint. White- so that any touch ups can be done easily.

It feels bigger and more substantial than some of it`s competitors too - in my opinion following back to back test drives of a C1.

I believe the new twin cylinder electronic valve engine may be fitted at some point. We were keen to get the well proven `Fire` engine before that happens.

I found i soon adjusted to driving this very smooth petrol engine - bearing in mind my van is a turbo diesel.

Edited by oilrag on 30/05/2010 at 08:59

What car next? - oilrag

Gramar,

Here is the original review and follow up, from when we bought the car in January. If you search on Rattle, he also wrote a review following purchase of his own Panda.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=83828

What car next? - Glenn 42

The new Panda is quite a good little car and quite reliable, something you don't always associate with Fiat. Also the five year warranty is good.

What car next? - kooti

We bought one, although from a local dealer and are very pleased with it.

(Edit: website deleted. Sorry, we can't allow a website name that could look like advertising.)

Edited by Avant on 31/05/2010 at 11:44

What car next? - Phil F.

Hi all,

Oilrag....I am considering buying a Panda,purely for economic reasons to be honest.What could I expect MPG to be realistically in mixed town/congestion/motorway travel please?

Cheers....Phil.

What car next? - oilrag

Sorry Phil, I`m not really able to anwer that.

The Panda 1.1 belongs to my wife and she uses it exclusively for her home care work. It doesn`t have a MPG function in it`s computer ( neither a service warning - good for DIY)

But a calculation when she first bought it was 47mpg - on her stop start work. That was in Winter with temperature down to around -6c.

It`s comfortable and smooth sounding at an indicated 80mph on the Motorway.

Edited by oilrag on 01/06/2010 at 13:04

What car next? - Phil F.

Hi Oilrag,

Thanks for that.Its very interesting that you say its smooth and comfortable at 80mph,because I think that would be my main concern going from my Avensis to this little car!

We do a round motorway trip most weekends of 200miles and some people have questioned my sanity(one being SWMBO!) of trading my car for a Panda or C1 etc!

However the thought of Group 1 insurance,low road tax/maintenance costs etc really does appeal to me,particularly as I will be doing a bigger commute to work shortly.

Best thing is go and drive one I guess.....

Phil.

What car next? - oilrag

Yes, I would drive one, Phil.

I should say that it`s (as I`m sure you`re aware) a different technique to driven a turbo diesel - but it`s a fact that you can keep it fair bowling along on the motorway - if you keep the speed up.

Ours has done 1,300 miles now and I drove it using petrol engine driving techniques for the first time yesterday. It`s surprising how smoothy it is as the revs rise ( unlike an 84 Fiesta bought new - rough, or what? ;-)

You get used to it and keeping the momentum up. If we didn`t need the Punto van for load space - I would buy a 2nd one.

It doesn`t have the torque pull of a diesel or big petrol, obviously -- but how much overtaking do we actually do anyway off motorways?

It certainly puts a smile on your face - the fuel savings -- as you motor along with much bigger motors restricted by traffic and regulations to exactly the same pace but using double the fuel.

Like I said though it`s subjective. Some people feel comfortable in smaller cars -- others do not.

And nothing wrong with either.

Edited by oilrag on 01/06/2010 at 14:18

What car next? - NickS

Gramar,

As has already been said, this is a bit subjective. But ill plough in anyway with my two-penneth.

For your kind of mileage, and type of driving (motorway), persoanlly I would want soemthing with a bit more "go" than a 1.1 Panda. Fair enough if you dont want to sit in the fast lane, but an underpowered car on a motorway is IMO a dangerous tool.

How about a 2nd hand Fabia vRS (130 TDI, not the new TSI)? Ticks all your boxes and more...... small, economical, comfortable, understated, cheap to run and most of all, fun.

Failing that, the 105 BHP version in elegance trim is more than capable..... and a bit cheaper to buy.

SEAT Ibiza with the same engine is a good shout too, but I think the ride is a little harder........

What car next? - brettmick

My Mrs has a 1.2 i10 and uses it for her 12 mile drive to work on the A14/A1.

I am 6'4 and find it fine for about an hour, after which my ankle starts to hurt and after an hour and a half I need to stop else it cramps. My Mrs doesn't suffer this, but is much shorter.

If I needed to drive to work I would be happy to use it, it has a fair bit of punch up to 50 where it runs out of puff a bit.

The other option might be to look at the Toyota or Kia 5 year warranty offer at the moment? A Ce'ed or Auris might do the job?

What car next? - Glenn 42

Are modern Fiats a lot better than the Puntos and Bravos of old that had a bad reliability reputation and terrible dealers? A local dealer with a good reputation has started selling them and the five year warranty looks good and the newer Puntos look nice, far better than the boxy ones from ten years ago. I do have a Nissan at the moment and am not struck, it hasn't lived up to its reputation and as it's Almera and out of production, used values are plumetting. Yet the same dealer took on Fiat last year and the cars look tempting for the money.

What car next? - DavidGlos

Fiat are a real mixed bag in the latest JD Power survey. Panda does very well - nearly top of its class and 500 is notfar behind. Grande Punto is towards the bottom of its class and I'm afraid the Bravo comes last in its category!! Shame really, as the Bravo looks great and was a serious contender for a replacement for my current motor.

Seems that with Fiat, the best bet is to 'keep it small'. I rather like the chunky looks of the Panda. Main disappointment is the rather poor three star NCAP rating...

What car next? - bazza

...I am considering buying a Panda,purely for economic reasons to be honest.What could I expect MPG to be realistically in mixed town/congestion/motorway travel please?......

Hi, we are currently running 2 Pandas, a 1.1 and 1.2. The 1.1 averages about 50 to 53 mpg at the moment with mixed running. In the depths of winter it was 46 to 48 mpg. The 1.2 is currently doing about 52mpg and dropped to 46mpg in Winter. Mixture of town, rural, local and A road driving, keeping up with the traffic etc.

Comments by Oily are spot on regarding the driving experience. However, moving from Avensis to Panda is only fair to say there will be a noticeable difference in ride comfort and motorway "feel", even though the Panda isn't at all out of its depth.

Incidentally, our 1.2 will be sold shortly to make way for family barge. It's an 08 Dynamic with 15000 (i think!) in black. fsh, dealer supplied etc, Go through the mods to contact me if you're interested.

Cheers

Baz

What car next? - Avant

I keep reading that the quality control at the Polish factory (Panda and 500) is better than that at Turin (all other Fiats), and JD Power seems to bear that out.

On the other hand, Oily's Punto van has done him well for five years: the fact that he looks after it and does his own servicing has something to do with it.

Perhaps the truth of it is that Fiats, Renaults and Peugeots are more vulnerable to neglect, and there are more 'Friday cars' than average - but also plenty of good ones, like the seven Renaults that I had between 1980 and 2001. Japanese cars are less fragile on both counts.

Edited by Avant on 05/06/2010 at 11:51

What car next? - Glenn 42

Fiat are a real mixed bag in the latest JD Power survey. Panda does very well - nearly top of its class and 500 is notfar behind. Grande Punto is towards the bottom of its class and I'm afraid the Bravo comes last in its category!! Shame really, as the Bravo looks great and was a serious contender for a replacement for my current motor.

Seems that with Fiat, the best bet is to 'keep it small'. I rather like the chunky looks of the Panda. Main disappointment is the rather poor three star NCAP rating...

They do seem hit and miss. The Panda and 500 seem like good cars, if a bit small for me, but it's a shame about the bigger Fiats as these look really good, have low used values( though possibly due to their reputation) and go well. However, for all the cars are cheap and now have a five year warranty, they're still a gamble.

What car next? - gramar
Thank you all for your thoughts - seems the Panda is popular with a lot of you. I now have the Xsara back with its ECU repaired and the car is running fine again.The oil leak too is only minor so I'm going to 'suck it and see' before making any decision.

Just as an aside -- Whilst the Xsara was off the road I borrowed M-in-L's Y reg Saxo 1.4 auto and it was great! handles well, goes well (45.4 mpg) No wonder cars like this still command a good price.

Where can I find a good one ?

Gramar
What car next? - Avant

If you like your Ignis but want something more lively, think seriously about a Suzuki Swift (1.3 or 1.5). My elder daughter is on her fourth Toyota Yaris 1.3 but last time liked the Swift a lot: buying new however the PCP deal on another Yaris was cheaper than a Swift despite the list price being higher. But you should get a good newish one for £6k.

What car next? - barney100

I used to have Pandas for work and did more than 12k a year. I used them for 500 mile round trips regularly too and they were fine. If you want a cheap workhorse then they are fine.