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dartford crossing fiasco. - concrete

Me and SWMBO regularly travel to Kent to visit her family. Always enjoy it once there but the journey really hacks me off and always for the same reason. The Dartford Crossing. Even at close to midnight at weekends I have queued on the bridge. The reason- MONEY. I mean how long will it take to pay for the bridge? It was built in 1991. It is sickening that the whole of the western world which seems to be permanently on the M25 has to grind to a halt to hand over a toll. God- special tax when you buy a car and VAT, annual vehicle tax, fuel duty and VAT, insurance tax - how much money does it take to run the roads? I now hear that the bridge is up for sale, which means whoever buys it will need to collect the tolls. Surely the bridge belongs to Joe Public. What a reflief it would be if the whole M25 was open right around. Surely it would mean less pollution and wasted fuel for thousands of queueing vehicles and far less stressed and frustrated drivers. Come on MOT do us all a favour. What a vote winner!

dartford crossing fiasco. - oilrag

I have to pay 50p extra because I have a van - (only a tiny Punto.) That while surrounded by four wheel drives that could take on Rommel in the Western Desert - getting through for £1.

dartford crossing fiasco. - Hugh Watt

It was paid for apparently by 2002 - but, according to Wikipedia:

"A fee was retained however under the new principle of Road User Charging, which had been introduced in the 2000 Transport Act as a means of using road pricing for controlling traffic congestion and funding local and national transport schemes. Under this act, the A282 Trunk Road (Dartford-Thurrock Crossing charging scheme) Order 2002 allowed the continuation of the crossing fee, which officially became a charge and not a toll on 1 April 2003."

So road pricing has in fact been with us for the last 7 years. Joe Public's had the wool pulled over his eyes.

Edited by Slow Eddie on 07/04/2010 at 17:20

dartford crossing fiasco. - Armitage Shanks {p}

So stopping people to collect money off them "Controls Congestion"!!! Causes would be more like it!

dartford crossing fiasco. - Devolution

Even at close to midnight at weekends I have queued on the bridge

At least now, it's free at this time of night, however a better solution would to be to find a way to still not have to stop each vehicle to raise the barrier. Surely there is a way to still count vehicles through but without actually stopping them, perhaps in conjunction with a speed sensitive raised hump to slow vehicles through the narrow width or the booths.

The other problem with night running is when they then shut most of the booths still filtering all lanes to 3 or 4 exit points while work is carried out etc.

dartford crossing fiasco. - Avant

If they must still charge, then a system like the London congestion charge would do it surely.

Interestingly the Scottish government has abolished tolls on the Forth road bridge and I think other bridges too - welcome, though I suspect that some of the things that the Scots get free are being paid for by subsidies from Whitehall.

dartford crossing fiasco. - bathtub tom

Let us not forget at this time of a general election, we were promised the tolls on the Dartford crossing would be removed once they had covered the cost of building the new bridge.

Politicians. Bah, humbug.

dartford crossing fiasco. - gramar

As an infrequent user of the M25 I recently went over the Dartford Crossing to Kent and back again a week later. I had to crawl round from the bottom of the M11 so it took 2 hours to cross the bridge instead of 1 hour 20 minutes when it is quiet (is that possible?)

Why doesn't the Govt introduce some sort of electronic monitoring of the users in much the same way as the congestion charge zone around London works. Then we wouldn't need to use coins of the realm and could do away with the toll booths thus getting rid of the hold up. Or is that just too simple?

By the way the queue going back home only started at the A2 junction so was much shorter.

dartford crossing fiasco. - John F

Interestingly the Scottish government has abolished tolls on the Forth road bridge and I think other bridges too - welcome, though I suspect that some of the things that the Scots get free are being paid for by subsidies from Whitehall.

'Whitehall' doesn't have any money of its own. A lot of the things Scotsmen and Scotswomen get free are paid for by Englishmen and Englishwomen's taxes. Incidentally, why do they need so many Scottish MPs for a country with approximately the same population as Yorkshire?