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Car names - CM
Now in this world of highly prized trademarks, a car's name seems to be very important and manufacturers are keen to protect them. I seem to remember Peugeot and BMW having a disagreement as some of the numbers each company use were in danger of clashing.

I only know (but am sure there are more examples) of a name being used by more than one manufacturer.

Maserati Bora
VW Bora

Is this strictly legal? How can such a beautiful car share its name with something so forgetable?
Car names - Richard Hall
Ambassador - Nash, Austin and Hindustan. Hounds one and all. And then there was the Seat Toledo, which might have ensnared a few confused pensioners who thought they were buying an underpowered, upright Triumph saloon with a walnut dashboard....

Richard Hall
bangernomics.tripod.com
Car names - BrianW
Then there's the Ford Escort owners who thought they were buying a van, not a car.
Car names - Slice
Not quite a major manufacturer, but Dutton produced a kit car called the Sierra during the eighties. Not sure how upset Ford were about that one.

As for Peugeot, I think they had an argument with Porsche in the early sixties about the latter's intention to market the '901', on the basis that Peugeot had a copyright on three digit numbers with a zero in the middle.

And so the 911 was born...
Car names - Jonathan {p}
BMW and Volvo - 850 and 740


Car names - J Bonington Jagworth
BMW and Volvo - 850 and 740


A five-litre Volvo? Wow!
Car names - OAP
I find it all very confusing! :o)

When you talk about Opal, do you mean cars or sticky sweets?

When you mention Mazda, do you mean cars or light bulbs?
Car names - borasport20
I find it all very confusing! :o)
When you talk about Opal, do you mean cars or sticky
sweets?
When you mention Mazda, do you mean cars or light bulbs?

Well seing as Opal never made cars (but Opel did) and you can\'t get Opal fruits any more, (they\'ve gone the way of Marathons and are called Consignia or something these days) there shouldn\'t be that much confusion

Car names - Richard Hall
>> I find it all very confusing! :o)
>>
>> When you talk about Opal, do you mean cars or
sticky
>> sweets?

>>
Well seing as Opal never made cars (but Opel did) and
you can't get Opal fruits any more, (they've gone the way
of Marathons and are called Consignia or something these days) there
shouldn't be that much confusion


www.bio.flinders.edu.au/austin7/Opal.htm

Ha!

Richard Hall
bangernomics.tripod.com
Car names - RichardW
There's always one!

I think you can't trademark numbers - which is why Intel called the Pentium that and not a 586 which would have been the natural progression.

Richard
Car names - Ian (Cape Town)
whn that west indian cricket fellow scored a world record 501 runs, he couldn't use the magic figure on his bat, as Levi's had already registered it!
Back to motoring ...
In the 50s, Chevrolet produced a station-wagon type thing called a Nomad.
In the 70's, Chev S. Africa produced a square 4X4 vehicle also called a nomad. Chalk and cheese.
The SA vehicle (a plan in case sanctions bit) can be described thus:
take a large soap powder box.
cut doors into it (use only right at 45 degree angles)
cut out wheel arches (ditto)
add windscreen (raked to about 80 degrees)
add a vinyl folding roof.
paint and sell to the gullible.
It truly was a hideous vehicle.
Car names - borasport20
well - you lear something new everyday
Car names - bernie
with regard to your obsevation about the use of the name "Bora".
I believe that VW/Audi now own the Maserati brand and therefore inherited the Bora name !
Car names - Jonathan {p}
No its not.

Maserati is part of the Fiat group, as is Ferrari and Alfa Romeo.
Car names - bernie
Yes you are correct,my apologies !
Austin Opal - J Bonington Jagworth
Anyone know what £100 at 1933 prices is equivalent to now? Just curious, given the improvements in production techniques since (offset, of course, by sophistication of the end product).
Austin Opal - Marcus
JBJ
£100 in 1933 had the purchasing power of £5,509.50 in 2001.

Do a Google search for "Inflation UK" and there are sites that have a ready reckoner.

Marcus
Austin Opal - J Bonington Jagworth
Thank you Marcus - I thought it would be about that, but I suppose it needs to be looked at alongside wage inflation. £5k is pretty reasonable now, but it must have taken a lot longer to earn £100 then (which partly explains how it was possible to make the car for that price in the first place!).

Isn't Google wonderful?
Car names - J Bonington Jagworth
"..Dutton produced a kit car called the Sierra during the eighties. Not sure how upset Ford were about that one."

Ford were very upset, and it ended up in court. The court should have found in Dutton's favour (IMHO) but Ford had the more expensive lawyers.

A compromise was reached, whereby Dutton would be allowed to carry on with the name (which they thought of first!) but that Ford could use it, too.

WRT other names, the most clumsy was probably the Chevy Nova, which was not renamed for Spanish/S.American markets, despite the name meaning 'no go' in the local tongue. Somewhere on the Web, there are the 'Chevy Nova awards' for similar marketing ineptitude...
Car names - Marcus
"Maserati Bora
VW Bora

Is this strictly legal? How can such a beautiful car share its name with something so forgetable?"

Well I for one do not feel the Maserati is forgetable!!
Car names - Richard_H
Masterati Bora = Style, speed and italian electrics. Looks like something Flash Gordon would drive.

VW Bora = Over-rated German tin can

Car names - Colin M
The Japanese are known for interchanging the letters R for L in their use of English. This caused no end of amusement for my poor Singaporean friend, Rabia, when I lived in Tokyo but unfortunate for Mitsubishi who launched two cars with equestrian names, the Colt and the "Starion".

Car names - Scott
Another example I seem to remember was when Volvo changed their system from three digits (e.g. 850) to a letter and 2 digits(e.g. S40). The letter was supposed to indicate the type (S=saloon, F=Family/Estate), but Ferrari objected to the possibility of a Volvo F40, so Volvo came up with V for "versatile" instead.
Car names - JH
I like the special editions but always felt that they lacked imagination. Why has there never been a Sunny Disposition, a Polo Pony, a Cavalier Attitude, a Prelude in D minor, an Astra Nomical ?
John
Car names - Chris M
We have persuaded a colleague at work that the V stood for van.

Chris M
Car names - Bromptonaut
Then there the names that had to be changed to suit the sensitivities of local usage such as:

Fiat Ritmo became the Strada in UK

and can any one confirm that the Pajero became the Shogun as the former had (by passing naughty word fileter) onanistic overtones in Spanish.
Car names - Dave_TD
I'd heard that one as well...

Also in France the Toyota MR2 became the Toyota MR. (Emm Err Deux, say it quickly with a french accent)
And the RR Silver Mist was renamed for the german market as "mist" translates into german as "dung" I believe.
The Chevy Nova thing would explain why we got the VX Nova and the rest of europe had the opEl Corsa.
Car names - BigTJ
And the Citroen Visa's original designation was the VD. Luckily someone spotted that it would be rash to try and sell a car with such a name in the UK.

Billings's third law:

"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of demand."
Car names - Mark (RLBS)
I am not sure what it became, because there is a third name for those things which you frequently see in Latin AMerica, I just can't remember it at the moment.

But certainly the reason it changed is as you've stated, provided you realise just *how* rude it is.
Car names - THe Growler
Now then, listen up class. Who can tell me what the BMW circle with the blue/white quadrants represents?


Car names - Mark (RLBS)
an aircraft prop, I think.
Car names - John R @ Work {P}
I think Mark is partially correct with the propeller description, but you also have to consider that Bavarias regional flag and symbols consist of light blue and white chequred diamond shapes... see

www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/staatswappenE.htm...4


John R
Car names-BMW badge - THe Growler
Well, I guess Mark has the right answer: however John's comment is relevant insofar as the colours used are concerned.

www.bmwworld.com/bmw/history/

It's interesting, I have asked many self-described BMW afficionados this one, and not one knew the company began as part of the aviation industry of the time.

(Not many also like to discuss how the BMW Isetta bubblecar dragged the company's fortunes back from the edge either......!)
Car names-BMW badge - THe Growler
Well, I guess Mark has the right answer: however John's comment is relevant insofar as the colours used are concerned.

www.bmwworld.com/bmw/history/

It's interesting, I have asked many self-described BMW afficionados this one, and not one knew the company began as part of the aviation industry of the time.

(Not many also like to discuss how the BMW Isetta bubblecar dragged the company's fortunes back from the edge either......!)
Car names-BMW badge - CM
I think that during WW2, BMW made engines for the ME109.
Car names-BMW badge - dat sun
While we are on the subject of car names and the war, Fiat tried to sell a car called the Argenta in Britain during the Falklands war. I think they shifted about two of them.
Mark or Growler.... - Ian (Cape Town)
Apparently "Pinto" as (in ford) is quite a derogatory name in Spanish.
Confirm?
Mark or Growler.... - PhilW
And wasn't the Fiat Strada/Ritmo originally going to be known as the "Rustica" in Italy and UK? - seem to remember reading that many years ago.
Car names-BMW badge - Bromptonaut
I think that during WW2, BMW made engines for the ME109.



Think that was the Focke-Wulf, the 109 had a Daimler-Benz engine. However the version licence built in Spain (as used in the Battle of Britain film) had the RR Merlin.
Car names-BMW badge - Dizzy {P}
The BMW badge definitely represents an aircraft propeller. This relates to the formation of BMW in 1916 as a manufacturer of aircraft engines.

RichardW is correct, numbers on their own cannot be trademarked as a rule. It is possible to trademark the *graphic style* of a number (like the way the number 7 is presented on Thomas the Tank Engine!) but I wouldn't think a car maker would want to do this.

There have been several disputes regarding trademarked car names, a classic being Lancia's attempt to get Mitsubishi to drop the name 'Lancer'. The legal finding was that no-one intending to buy a Lancia was likely to go out and buy a Mitsubishi Lancer by mistake so there was no attempt to 'pass off' and therefore no trademark infringement.

Anyone know what the very first trademark was for, and who it was registered to? (Answers on a virtual postcard please.) Here's a clue ... it was granted to a well-known UK brewery for a symbol that was also the Alvis logo. Registration of this trademark was only very recently dropped by the brewery and I've an idea that the brewery recently changed its company name.


Car names-BMW badge - DavidHM
I heard the S40/V40 etc. were going to be called the S4/V4, but Audi objected, having already used the S4 name at that time on the sports version of the old 100/A6. The actual A4-based S4 came later on.

Oh and obviously there is the Mazda 323 and the BMW 323. When BMW owned Rover, theoretically, they could have made cars with the same name, although a 2.0 6-Series BMW would just be silly and there was never a 1, 2 or 4-Series.
Car names-BMW badge - THe Growler
I like the "Lancer vs Lancia" one. Wouldn't stand a chance in court, anyone buying a Lancer rather than a Lancia knew exactly what they were about! Ex-boss of mine had one of the latter and said he used to dread getting up each morning and finding out what had fallen off the night before.

"Pinto" in Tagalog means "door" (much of Tagalog is derived from the Spanish, so maybe that's where we get it from).

Slight diversion, but wasn't it the Ford Pinto which was notorious for the gas tank catching fire in a rear-end?

I may have mentioned this before but the Mitsubishi Pajero (square body) was also sold as the Hyundai Galloper. A variation I suppose on the Hyundai Pony (widely renamed the Hyundai "Puny" and with good reason).

I also recall the Datsun Violet (much used as taxis in Dubai).
The Datsun Cherry was also popular with the ladies. A Hongkong police inspector pal of mine used to recount at the bar how the beautiful daughter of a well-known taipan once walked into the Wan Chai Police HQ to complain that someone had stolen her Cherry..... He said they mounted a search but never did get it back...:-)
Car names-BMW badge - THe Growler
I like the "Lancer vs Lancia" one. Wouldn't stand a chance in court, anyone buying a Lancer rather than a Lancia knew exactly what they were about! Ex-boss of mine had one of the latter and said he used to dread getting up each morning and finding out what had fallen off the night before.

"Pinto" in Tagalog means "door" (much of Tagalog is derived from the Spanish, so maybe that's where we get it from).

Slight diversion, but wasn't it the Ford Pinto which was notorious for the gas tank catching fire in a rear-end?

I may have mentioned this before but the Mitsubishi Pajero (square body) was also sold as the Hyundai Galloper. A variation I suppose on the Hyundai Pony (widely renamed the Hyundai "Puny" and with good reason).

I also recall the Datsun Violet (much used as taxis in Dubai).
The Datsun Cherry was also popular with the ladies. A Hongkong police inspector pal of mine used to recount at the bar how the beautiful daughter of a well-known taipan once walked into the Wan Chai Police HQ to complain that someone had stolen her Cherry..... He said they mounted a search but never did get it back...:-)
Car names-BMW badge - Dave_TD
The Hyundai Pony was a pretty appropriate name as it was, if you have any knowledge of London rhyming slang. Pony - shortened form of Pony And Trap, rhymes with - not very good. As in "that car's a load of pony". Oh, watch EastEnders, you'll get the idea.
Car names-BMW badge - THe Growler
Hmm didn't know that. But what does "I paid a pony for it" mean then. I may need to know because 98% of our TV is American and people sometimes watch the few English films we have then turn to me for phrases they don't understand.
Car names-BMW badge - CM
Pony = £25
Monkey = £500
Car names-BMW badge - Dizzy {P}
Anyone know what the very first trademark was for, and who

it was registered to? (Answers on a virtual postcard please.) Here's a clue ... it was granted to a well-known UK brewery for a symbol that was also the Alvis logo. Registration of this trademark was only very recently dropped by the brewery and I've an idea that the brewery recently changed its company name.


I'm sure you've been dying to know the answer to my question, or could it be that you couldn't care less? I'm going to tell you anyway ...

The very first registered trademark was granted to Bass and it took the form of a Red Triangle, which also happened to be the logo of the Alvis motor company. Probably the only acceptable instance of drinking and driving going together!