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France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Peter
Can anyone clarify for me the situation since 2008, reference yellow jackets and triangles.

I gather they must be kept in the cabin of the car but do I just need one jacket for the driver or one for each passenger?

Also, I say jacket but are high visibilty vests/tabards allowed instead?

Is it an easy task to accurately fit beam converters onto a Mk 3 Mondeo?

Many thanks.

Edited by rtj70 on 04/08/2009 at 22:09

France - Avant
You need one for each person travelling in the car. Most are sleeveless so I presume that's what you mean by a vest.

Beam converters normally come with instructions covering most common makes of car, so you should be OK.
France - Avant
PS - I like the way this thread came up on the main page - "France - New".

That'll be the day.....probably not while they've got a President whose name sounds like a cross between a sarcophagus and a tea-cosy. :)

(Edit)...Ah, someone's changed the heading. More explicit but much less intriguing.

Edited by Avant on 04/08/2009 at 22:13

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - ole cruiser
Is it an easy task to accurately fit beam converters onto a Mk 3 Mondeo?>>

Reasonable, as long as you study the instructions carefully and are prepared to kneel on the ground to get the level. (Quite a few people you see at Dover get it wrong!) But getting them - or rather the glue - off is a different matter. They are quite expensive (for a bit of tape) and I have a strong feeling that I could adjust the headlamp throw myself if I only learned how. Anyone ready to share the secret?
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - sumpnut
Hi Peter I have just come back from Spain, and there, one vest for driver and each passenger accessible from the cabin,spare light bulbs,triangle,GB sticker, France is possibly the same but all of these are very sensible to carry any way.

Triangles are cheap but ask your friends they may have one you can borrow,scrap yards must have loads. Stick the GB sticker to the rear window they have been known to take paint with them upon removal.

Don't bother with light converters, just park in front of a wall about 10 feet away in the dark, turn on dip headlights and you will see two raised bits of light above what seems to be a straight top line of light. Use some insulation tape on the lens in the place that obstructs that peak of light. Do both lights and you should finish with a light pattern with a straight line to its top, thats it simple.

sumpnut
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - NVH
We were stopped by local gendarmes last week.
Usual location near a roundabout where they invite you to pull in.
The gendarme's first reaction was: "Sorry, sir. We didn't realise it was you".
A side-effect of providing evidence which sent down a gang of burglars earlier this year ;-)

However: they were targeting holiday traffic.
On an 900km drive today we saw dozens of cars today with bikes obscuring number plates,
Germans breaking the speed limit, cars with trailers and caravans speeding,
Not to mention French drivers waving mobiles in the air with one hand and talking with the other...

We usually keep the Volvo lights on the lowest height setting.
If anyone comments, we point to the adhesive where it has just fallen off again & produce a set from the boot beside the first aid kit, triangles,vests etc.


France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - boxsterboy
Both the cars we take to Europe have xenon headlamps and so would need to have the beam re-set at a dealer. We tend not to bother as the only way to prove would be to turn the lights on in the dark up against a wall - I can't see a gendarme doing that in broad daylight by the side of the autoroute. And anyway, how many European cars re-set their headlamps before coming over here. Not many, I would say.

Hi-viz jackets obviously make sense.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - CGNorwich
"And anyway, how many European cars re-set their headlamps before coming over here. Not many, I would say."

I think I am correct in saying that most european cars do not dip to the right in the way ours dip to the left: they simply dip neutrally downwards. No re-alignment is therefore necessary on their part.

I think that at the very least it is a matter of courtesy to adjust your headlights when driving in Europe. At worst, in the event of an accident with the oncoming driver claiming he was dazzled by you headlights, it could have serious consequences.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Garethj
Is it really 1 high-viz jacket per passenger? I was told (by SWMBO's parents who are French) that it's just 1 required, that's for the driver.

I'm not sure how our 5 year old would keep the jacket on to be honest, it would be ballgown length on her....

Edited by Garethj on 05/08/2009 at 08:21

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - jc2
One inside the car for the driver-others required for anyone who gets out of the car but these do not have to be kept in the passenger compartment.What does it matter how long it is on her if it keeps her alive? I've tried driving with lights on lowest setting-stopped in first lay-by to tape them.Might be OK on autoroute but DANGEROUS on country roads.

Edited by jc2 on 05/08/2009 at 08:44

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Quite a few modern cars have a lever which adjusts your beam to "neutral" - its worth checking out before you buy anything... what car is it?
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - mike hannon
If you happen to forget your triangle, etc, whatever you do, don't be tempted to pick them up in the ferryport shop or on the boat. They are all hugely expensive. One port, which I will not name but which has close links with the Royal Navy, charges £9.99 for a triangle you can now buy for about ?2.99 in the first supermarket you come to on the 'other side'. Maybe ten quid isn't the end of the world, but these things add up. ;-)
If you Google for beam converters you'll find a very helpful firm in the UK, whose name escapes me at the moment, selling them for about £2.99 and that will send them by return of post.

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - ijws15
My understanding is that you must have the hi-vis jacket on if you are outside the car.

Driver can get jackets for others out of boot having put his/hers on before getting out but I prefer carrying them all inside the car - the Octavia has a box under the passenger seat which is ideal.

You are not required to carry spare bulbs in France but they CAN require you to replace a failed bulb BEFORE they let you leave. The only solution is to CARRY a set of spare bulbs.

Headlights - Octavia has internal adjustment so don't use tape anymore, if it is not raining I do it at the port. Used to buy a set of converters to get the placement instructions and then use tape on subsequent trips. The instructions help by making sure you don't put too much tape on - the Honda only required a 2cm square.

One warning triangle in France, some countries require 2.

You are required to stop and offer aid at an accident so it is wise to carry a first aid kit.

I have GB number plates to don't need a GB sticker, beware some of the fancy ends to number plates are not acceptable and the wrong gendarme might take exception (don't fail the attitude test).

Closest we have come to being stopped was Roanne where they were doing vehicle checks. The gendarme stepped out to flag us down, realised we wern't French and waved us past.

Also don't take a speed camera warning device.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - jc2
Warning triangle NOT a legal requirement in France if vehicle has Hazard flashers tho' I carry one to be safe-after all you may be hit from the rear.GB sticker is a legal requirement in France(even if you have GB mark on plates);France has never rescinded the 1928 requirement for them and you may get an awkward policeman-there are police as well as Gendarmes.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - ole cruiser
GB sticker is a legal requirement in France (even if you have GB mark on plates);>>


I doubt this. I think there's an EU agreement in place?
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - CGNorwich
Octavia has internal adjustment so don't use tape anymore

Does not he internal adjustment merely alter the height of the beam? They will still dip to the left.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Octavia has internal adjustment
They will still
dip to the left.


If its the same as the Roomster it swings the lights into a neutral beam, they do not dip to the left, just straight ahead
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}
I'm interested in this internal adjustment for Octavia headlights. Got halogen headlights on my 2009 face lift model.Is this the complicated procedure described on the Briskoda site? Seems to involve the removal of the headlights and dipped bulbs and internal manipulation of a metal strip to create the flat top beam.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - TheOilBurner
Anyone know how it works for cars with Directional Xenons? I don't think taping them up is going to work and there is no adjustment switch or dealer adjustment (2005 Citroen C5). Carrying spares is a bit of a no-no too, never mind changing them at the side of the road...

Or should I not worry because it's a French car? ;)

Edited by TheOilBurner on 05/08/2009 at 10:23

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Mapmaker
If you're planning on DRIVING in the dark, then don't use insulating tape. Spend a fiver on the prismatic beam converters. (If of course it is August and you plan only on driving in daylight, insulating tape is the cheap alternative. Don't forget to take some solvent with you.)

tinyurl.com/l8u52b

Of all the things I've ever spent a fiver on, these are far and away the best. Insulating tape is like driving blind.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - TheOilBurner
They look worth a try, thanks!
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - captain chaos
Don't forget to paint Amberlite on your headlights too :-D
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - oldnotbold
Many French drivers keep the hi-viz vest hung over the back of the driver's seat. Handy when you need it, and instantly visible to Les Flics, who will then tug the next one! If you only have one remember to hang it over the passenger seat of a RHD car...

Edited by oldnotbold on 05/08/2009 at 12:16

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - PR {P}
These are good, but my advice would be to use only on the passenger side headlight, the drivers side one doesnt throw light that far over. I do this every trip I make (at least 1 per year) and have never had any problems doing this, including night driving.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - terryb
I go over 3 or 4 times a year so I invested in some headlight protectors and stuck proper beam masks on them. Infinitely reusable and simple to put on and take off. Cost about 50 quid but pay back in full in 3 years.
Terryb
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - mike hannon
> Warning triangle NOT a legal requirement in France if vehicle has Hazard flashers<

With respect, I don't think this is true. That may have been the case before last October but I believe it is now a legal requirement.
I used to have an AA site page bookmarked that gave legal requirements in all European countries. I don't know how up-to-date it is now though.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - mike hannon

tinyurl.com/loucbb
France E10 fuel - NVH
mike hannon's link to the AA is spot on.

Just need to reinforce that AA warning about E10 fuel (10% ethanol).
Read the pump signage carefully!
Some garages have taken out the SP98 fuel and substituted with "SP95 E10".
This was definitely the case at Carrefour-Tinqueux, where I normally tank on cross-country trips.
Worth bearing in mind if you need high octane fuel.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - RakebeckBob
I've just returned from 5 weeks and 3700 miles in France, Italy, Croatia, Austria & Germany.
This year, I didn't bother with the headlamp conversion (the adhesive ones are too expensive and the adhesive is a swine to remove).
Apart from the fact that I didn't come across more than a dozen policemen of any kind, I also noticed that even in narrow tunnels, my headlights did not seem to bother anyone and I wasn't 'flashed' once.
I did carry the triangles and vests though!

RakebeckBob (Honda CRV iTDCi)
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Gromit {P}
During June, the Geant Casino supermarket chain had a promotion on two hi-vis vests for ?2.50. They also had warning triangles and kid-sized hi-vis (and everything else you'd want for the car) much cheaper than at home.

These also were part of a store-wide promotion whereby you get 10% back in vouchers to spend on whatever you like later on, so I stocked up on wiper blades, spare bulbs and grip mat to line the door pockets with while I was getting mine.

To get headlight beam converters to stick properly, clean the glass with neat screenwash before applying them. To remove the glue, take them off as soon as you get home. Put the headlights on for about 10 mins to soften the glue. The converter should peel off first, followed by a film of glue. Use neat screenwash to remove the last of the residue.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - bathtub tom
I got mine in Poundland. Garn, ask me how much they cost! ;>)
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Pugugly
1.17 euros ? For sale in Euroland shops in Germany last week for an Euro !
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - bathtub tom
An Euro, or a Euro? ;>)
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - mike hannon
In France the word 'yeuro' cannot exist because 'e' is pronounced 'euh', so it's un euro, pronouncing the 'n'. The words are always run together as well, as in uneuro, deuxeuros, troiseuros, quat'euros, cinqeuros, etc, etc.
Too often, Brits try to communicate - when they try at all - using French words but English pronunciation, forgetting - or not knowing - that 'e' is euh, 'i' is eee, 'r' is errrr, and so on. Then they don't understand why they get blank stares because the French aren't actually hearing their own language! I'm sure a cunning linguist could have explained this better but it all only requires a little effort...
Lesson over.

Edited by mike hannon on 06/08/2009 at 07:07

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Pugugly
I had fun with pronouncing BMW in Germany !
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - datostar
I had fun with pronouncing BMW in Germany !


Bay-Em-Vay??
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Pugugly
Yep - in the end - I speak get-by German - Beer, food, diesel etc - but couldn't get my head around that.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - mike hannon
French is 'bayemmdoobleuhvay' - but they still love 'em!
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Smileyman
I was stopped by French police on A26 last month - 100 miles from Calais, cruise control had cut out and speed crept up to 150kph.
Police acted very professionally, gave me a receipt for the very modest fine, but did not check if I had any safety items .... Hi-viz jacket in car door, warning triangle in boot, spare bulbs too (but not for Xenon headlamp, I would need a garage to swap one of these). I'm sure they did not see the plastic stick on beam bender on headlamp either (headlamps were on) - being properly prepared is not difficult, and the safety requirements (apart from beam benders) makes good sense for general driving in UK too. I had already driven 450 miles that day, there were times I wished France would copy Germany and remove speed limits....
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - andyp
We are taking our Peugeot 407SW to France and Belgium shortly and although we will only be travelling during daylight hours, after reading some of the comments on this forum i think that i had better fit some beam converters to it rather than risking a fine !

Can i just use the clear stick on beam delfectors i can see on ebay for about 3quid, or does anyone know if you can adjust the beam via some device on the headlamps themselves on these cars ?

I have only ever bothered to take a warning triangle and bulb kit in the past, but it sounds like us Brits are being stopped and checked more these days !

Cheers
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - dieselfitter
We were pulled over into a layby at a police checkpoint shortly after entering France from Italy on a fairly quiet road in daylight. Police wanted to see drivers licence and vehicle documents - I carry a photocopy of the V5 and insurance certificate - and whilst I was getting these they had a good look around the outside of the car, but did not ask about spare bulbs, vests or anything else. Hardly looked at the documents I produced and sent us on our way. No idea whether they had nothing better to do, or were looking for the Pink Panther, or what.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Mapmaker
> I carry a photocopy of the V5 and insurance certificate -


When in France I understand you are required to carry the originals.

www.eurotunnel.com/ukcP3Main/ukcPassengers/ukcTrav...m though the AA website does not mention it. Certainly been the case for decades.


France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - dieselfitter
>I carry a photocopy of the V5 and insurance certificate -

>When in France I understand you are required to carry the originals.

Those are in the safe at home. I never keep the originals in the car. I could do it the other way around, I suppose (carry the originals and keep photocopies back at base). But if push comes to shove and verification is needed, can't they call the DVLA and/or my insurers?
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Thats not always possible and I don't think that the original is needed - when we went over to Europe Motability sent us a copy of the V5 which was enough for the Germans to issue us with the emmissions sticker but Motablity would not give us the original V5.

I don't think that they would risk a disabled person in their motability car being stranded because they didn't have an original V5...
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Mapmaker
>>Motablity would not give us the original V5.


That's because the car doesn't belong to you! (If you had the V5 you could (probably. ish.) sell the car.) Instead, under those circumstances, you need proof of ownership.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - commerdriver
Leasing companies do the same with company cars

Edited by commerdriver on 11/08/2009 at 17:38

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - honeybear
Motability will issue you a VE 103 Vehicle on Hire Form if you ask, this is sufficient for use in Europe. This is because the majority of Motability cars are technically "hired "
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Motability will issue you a VE 103 Vehicle on Hire Form


As I said, HB, when I asked them all they sent was a copy of the V5 which shows my wife as the regsitered keeper and thats all it seems we need, the motability stuff we have makes no mention of any other stuff needed to travel abroad, I just kept it with the covering letter they sent and the insurance stuff.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Thats what I thought MM, but the V5 is actually in my wife's name! The reason they say they do it that way is to make things easier when the three years finish and we swap cars... I supose it also means that if we decide to keep it it will only have one owner shown on the V5.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Mapmaker
So what do you do if you are given a "producer"?
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
For what?
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Sorry, MM, with you now - I'd just take along the Motability stuff which should be sufficient for the Police over here, and, I assume, over there as well...

I'm not saying whats right and wrong, but just thats what Motability do, and I suspect that they've got enough experience of their cars travelling abroad to know what's needed... and, honestly, the V5 is not in their name!!
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - oldnotbold
As a matter of interest, has anyone been asked for the V5 etc by a continental copper? In about thirty trips across La Manche I have been stopped once, by a Dutch motorcycle cop, as I crossed from Belgium. He escorted me to a mobile office where they checked my passport. No interest in the vehicle at all.

Once when I arrived back at Dover I was asked by Customs whose vehicle it was, and if I had the V5. I shrugged, and suggested they check with DVLA. My story stacked up, I had no contraband, so they didn't bother.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - mike hannon
The French expect to - and are expected to - have the originals of all their vehicle documents with them in the vehicle at all times.
Seems bonkers, but there it is.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - dieselfitter
Yes! See earlier post!

>Police wanted to see drivers licence and vehicle documents - I carry a photocopy of the V5 and insurance certificate - and whilst I was getting these they had a good look around the outside of the car, but did not ask about spare bulbs, vests or anything else.
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - 1400ted
>>Motablity would not give us the original V5.


I've had 2 Motobility cars and in both cases I've had the V5s, both made out in my name and address as keeper.
Have they changed now ?

Ted

Edited by 1400ted on 12/08/2009 at 00:38

France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - b308
Must have Ted, we got ours last year and when I asked for it for when we go abroad thats what I got!
France and Hi-Vis Jackets and Beam Converters - Mapmaker
>>Police didn't ask about spare bulbs.

That's not surprising as there's no legal requirement to carry them in France.

Eh? I hear you say.

No, HOWEVER, if you are stopped with a blown bulb, you will get an on the spot fine from a policeman. HOWEVER, if you are able to show him a box of bulbs and replace the blown one, you will get off.

So, you will never be asked to produce them.