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Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
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'Families along the stretch of road in Leicester paid the council to build the driveways leading from their houses to the road nearly 30 years ago.'

'A spokesman for Leicester City Council said the driveway was counted as a public highway.'

Did they tell the residents that when they were shelling out for the drive ways ?


You need to look at the picture to see what it is they paid for . Seeing as long as no car encroached on the bit of footpath in front of their home, what are the council counting as public highway... the strip of grass that runs across the front of their houses ?. If that is the case, I'd be tempted to drive a vehicle up and down that bit of so called highway. Bet the council would have something to say about that as well. The whole exercise smacks of pure out and out money making.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
Whilst we are on the subject of petty Britain, who are you putting at risk by not wearing a seat belt other than yourself ?

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Would we be happy to be fined in our own homes for not turning the leccy off at the mains before changing a light bulb ? After all, it is only ourselves at risk should we not do so.

Drive way fine in petty Britain - FP
OK, let's follow this through.

You're a father with your wife and two young kids in the car. You choose not to wear a seat belt. You're in a crash that, if you had worn the seat belt, you would have survived, but you didn't, so you die.

Now let's ask Mr X's question again: "Who are you putting at risk by not wearing a seat belt other than yourself ?"

Who supports the kids? Who rushes you to hospital in a vain attempt to save your life? Who deals with the mess? Might public money be involved? Why should my contribution to the public finances pay for the consequences?

So this may be petty Britain, but it's a poor example. You disappoint me, Mr X.

Edited by ChrisPeugeot on 29/06/2009 at 19:30

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
If we were able to have a say where our tax money goes when spent on the NHS, I'd opt not to pay for the saturday afternoon amateur footballer who breaks their leg, the drunk who crashes to the ground and splits their head open. In fact I'd opt to not to pay for anyone who puts themselves at any risk that means they could die.

Fining people because they might be a burden on the NHS for which you are paying... lets start with any one who smokes, any one who drinks, any one who eats too much and becomes over weight.Just the same argument as your non seat belt wearing one.

Drive way fine in petty Britain - FP
And how do emergency services identify such people? I know, let's make them wear distinctive armbands.

Besides, how is it practical for individuals to say they don't want their contribution to public finances to pay for this or that?

Running out of arguments?

Edited by ChrisPeugeot on 29/06/2009 at 19:46

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Altea Ego
Do they OWN the pavement, grass verge and access drive across it

No

Do they pay rent on the pavement, grass verge and access drive across it?

No

What is the pavement and grass verge?

council controlled and maintained public access.

What did they pay for?

paved access. Nothing more, nothing less.

Less "petty britain" more "common sense" I think.





Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
Then they should rip up the tarmac they paid for and drive across the resultant sea of mud. As I said, if it's a ' public highway" they should feel free to drive across it regardless of wether it is tarmaced or not.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Altea Ego
Then they should rip up the tarmac they paid for and drive across the resultant
sea of mud. As I said if it's a ' public highway" they should feel
free to drive across it regardless of wether it is tarmaced or not.


How about rip up the tarmac, put bollards there, and not less them cross at all.

Do tell Mr x.

Why DO you live in the UK at all?
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
'How about rip up the tarmac, put bollards there, and not less them cross at all.'
Nahhh, I doubt the council would do that. More likely they would introduce a yearly charge first for the privilege of allowing them to cross their bit of land.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Old Navy
The council missed a trick here, put bollards along the verge, remove the yellow lines, and introduce a residents parking scheme with an annual charge, and pay and display for non residents.

Edited by Old Navy on 29/06/2009 at 20:06

Drive way fine in petty Britain - nortones2
If she parked partly on her driveway, and partly on the "tarmac", she must have blocked the footway. About time the selfish were brought to book!
Drive way fine in petty Britain - maximus
Did you read the article Mr x?

'The warden explained that because she was not entirely on her driveway and had parked partly on the tarmac that crosses the grass verge leading up to the road'

If she was not 'entirely on her driveway' then she must have been partly on her driveway and the other part must have been on the footway. Not between the grass!
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
Thats your view. I think she was not on her drive way at all but on the bit in the middle.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - nortones2
You might think that Mr X, but she admits to being on the driveway. Thus, unless her car is physically divisible, part of it must also be on the footway. QED. Kindly take your anxieties to the Daily Wail.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - PhilW
maximus,
You are probably right but how about a bit of "give and take"? Why didn't the warden knock on her door and have a quiet word? How about "Excuse me Madam, your car is blocking the footpath. Technically this is an offence but, on this occasion, could I ask you to move your car onto your drive. If it happens again I will have to book you and it is rather a large fine for such a small offence. I'm sure you won't do it again! " Funny how they explain after writing the ticket rather than before.
Trouble is, these fines are so arbitrary - I see worse in my village every day - parking on double yellow lines, on the zig-zags of a pedestrian crossing, on the dropped kerb of the ped. crossing - all because people cannot be bothered to walk the extra 10 yards to either of the free car parks provided so they can use the paper shop, Chinese, Indian, fish and chip shops, cash point etc. Does anyone get done? NO - because a traffic warden never comes near the village.
Bad luck on the lady's part.
Phil
Drive way fine in petty Britain - drbe
I see worse in my village every
the free car parks provided so they
can use the paper shop Chinese Indian fish and chip shops cash point etc.

>>

What a remarkably well equipped village! Would you care to tell us where it is?
Drive way fine in petty Britain - PhilW
"What a remarkably well equipped village! Would you care to tell us where it is? "
OK, Maybe I exaggerate - everyone refers to it as a village but the footy and cricket teams are "Barrow Town".
Here it is, under "Leicestershire Villages"
www.leicestershirevillages.com/barrowuponsoar/vill...l
- 2 Indians, 2 Chinese, a brilliant F&C, 7 pubs, PostOffice, Boots, Somerfield, Spar, Londis and petrol station, bakers, butcher, cafe, station, etc: doctors, dentist and numerous hairdressers: primary and secondary school - all you need really. Support your local shop! (wet fish shop and a butchers gone!!) And the on premises bakery).
Sorry, off topic!!
Phil
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
Not as far off topic as you'd think.
A local paper in my neck of the woods is running a shop local campaign. It has a few local councillors on board . It's trying to stop people heading towards retail parks and larger towns in the area.
Why the need to do this ?. Well the local council have handed over parking enforcement and fine issuing to a private company that has swept locust like through the place, sticking tickets on cars the minute ( and I mean MINUTE ) the Pay and Display ticket expires. result, a massive drop in visitors and people shopping in the place. You couldn't make it up as they say.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - drbe
Phil, I congratulate you. Truly an excellent village.

It even has a railway station (that's train station for anyone below a certain age)

With East Midlands Airport not too far away.

Edited by drbe on 30/06/2009 at 18:23

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
No way the warden is going to knock before he's earned his company £70.
Thought we'd have had a ' if it's saved a childs life, then it's all been worth while " post by now. dear me, some of you are slipping.
Looking at the picture in the link, her gates open OUT on to the public footpath. Are they due a fine for obstruction ?

Edited by Mr X on 29/06/2009 at 20:51

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
It was only a couple of months back we were reading about a bloke who SCORNED his vehicle, stuck it on his drive and left it . There it sat for several weeks until the DVLA people came along to check up on it. They were over joyed to find it over hung his drive way by ONE FOOT, out on to a public footpath ( not a road ). Now I remember the picture and it was quite a wide footpath so obstruction was not the issue. Nope, they decided he was using an untaxed vehicle on the public highway because of that one foot over hang and issued their fines.
One foot. You have to ask how few inches it would need to be before the pettiness stopped ?
6 inches, 3 inches, one inch ?
Drive way fine in petty Britain - alfalfa
It was only a couple of months back we were reading about a bloke who
SCORNED his vehicle stuck it on his drive and left it .


Was the vehicle upset when it was scorned?

alfalfa

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
SORN'ed
Drive way fine in petty Britain - maximus
Sorry, but in the link you provided neither the photo or the article support your point that she was parked between the grass.

On your initial point I agree that sometimes things can seem/are petty. Thats why when I park--go in a bus lane or any other of the things 'they' can get you for I try to be fireproof. If I had had that untaxed car I would have made sure it was all on my drive.

Thats not to say I won't be caught out and boy would I be VERY angry.

Edited by maximus on 29/06/2009 at 20:46

Drive way fine in petty Britain - OldSkoOL
I don't care whether it is right / wrong or whatever, it is simply petty.

Regardless of whether she is a pensioner / grandmother or whatever it is still petty.

Double yellows, blocked access, obstruction, no ticket yes but this, this is just the result of targets, performance related pay and bonus tier schemes.


The problem is encouraging the wardens to get more tickets to quality for extra pay.


Hideous.

Its bad enough that there are literally no free places to park in most of the main areas of england. Every single square meter of tarmac now seems to have a minimum of £3 charge for being parked on for any length of time. They are just squeezing money from left right and center. I have no respect for them anymore with their target based policies and their take attitude. Give us some freedom and respect for the hours we spend slaving away for money until we die.

Edited by OldSkoOL on 29/06/2009 at 21:33

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Mr X
Nicely put.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Andrew-T
I don't care whether it is right / wrong or whatever, it is simply petty.


I can understand this view, and I can understand the view that the warden should have given a warning before the fine. That does not mean the fine should not stand - the probable truth is that the parking has gone on unfined for years, and the victims are just irritated that they have finally been caught. A bit like the MPs and expenses, really - but we don't sympathise with them, do we?
Drive way fine in petty Britain - L'escargot
After the double yellow lines were installed, the strip of tarmac crossing the grass verge and the footway both became subject to the parking restrictions of the double yellow lines. Most people don't seem to realise that the restrictions apply to both sides of yellow lines. Nevertheless and not withstanding, the law is the law and it has to be applied the same in all instances.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - Manatee
>>Nevertheless and not withstanding, the law is the law and it has to be applied the same in all instances.

Sometimes it's wrong to follow the rules. MP's expenses?

Looks petty to me, and symptomatic of an unpleasant trend. Never knowing when you're likely to get a fine (dropping off at station, driving in and out of leisure centre car parks have been mentioned to me) benefits nobody except abusers of authority.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - L'escargot
The existence of the double yellow lines should have been a constant reminder to the couple that they'd be doing wrong if they parked on either the footway or the tarmac strip crossing the grass verge. They've got no excuse. By the looks of how much the lines were worn they'd been there for some considerable time.

Edited by L'escargot on 30/06/2009 at 09:19

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Cliff Pope
It seems quite clear that she was fined for overhanging the pavement, not the tarmacked area. The only way she could have been on both her own driveway and the tarmac is if her car was long enough to completly straddle the pavement.

So the point about having paid for the tarmac is irelevant - she wasn't parked on it.

She and her defenders are deliberately choosing to misunderstand the meaning of a "right of way for access" and outright ownership of the freehold of a piece of land without a corresponding public right of access over a highway.

Frontagers often have to pay for the council to put in dropped kerbs for access. That similarly does not give them ownership nor exemption from any parking restrictions.

IF she really was parked on the tarmac, it does seem rather petty. But if she was overhanging the pavement she deserved to be fined.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - ijws15
I am with the snail.

Doesn't the public highway run from hedge to hedge and include footpath and verge. It is there to walk along, ride an horse along, not just to drive a car along - something many here forget.

We have to serve notices to the local authority if we want to excavate in the verge as well as the tarmac, and frequently it is privately owned as well.

Edited by ijws15 on 30/06/2009 at 09:34

Drive way fine in petty Britain - Andrew-T
Doesn't the public highway run from hedge to hedge and include footpath and verge? It is there to walk along, ride a horse along, not just to drive a car along ..


As a driver and a pedestrian, I am frequently irritated by the widespread assumption that if parking in the road causes an obstruction, it is quite OK to park on any pavement and obstruct that. Agreed that most people are narrower than most cars, but the difficulties of people with buggies or in wheelchairs are usually forgotten. I suppose the threat of a collision is negligible, so they just do it.

And speaking as a driver, these pavement-parkers make it even more hazardous to emerge onto our main road, by severely reducing visibility. Luckily most passing drivers will co-operate.

Edited by Andrew-T on 30/06/2009 at 11:20

Drive way fine in petty Britain - OldSock

So much response to such a trivial story.... :-(
Drive way fine in petty Britain - maz64
So much response to such a trivial story.... :-(


we get plenty of practice :-)
Drive way fine in petty Britain - FP
You're right, of course, OS.

It's just that some of us are suckered in to responding to some fatuous, provocative postings, which (on reflection) would probably have been better just left to look stupid, wither and die.

I have decided to spend less time in the BR and more in the garden.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - jbif
I have decided to spend less time in the BR >>


Me too, especially when the Daily Wail threads are abounding.
I find it amazing that some people who should know better get hooked in to responding over and over again. It must be addictive, getting hooked then thrown back in to the pond to be caught yet again on the next line, sorry, thread.

Drive way fine in petty Britain - FotheringtonThomas
She wasn't parked on her driveway.

Next.
Drive way fine in petty Britain - George Porge
If you drink and you smoke you pay taxes for the privellidge, some goes to the NHS

If friends visited the while their car was parked like that then that would be the whole width of the pavement blocked, anyone walking would have to thread themselves around parked cars because the home owner was too lazy to open her gates. I often have to thread myself around like this with 2 dogs, leads getting caught in number plates and banging my shins on tow bars as I go.

How many people would like an 30' extension to their drives?
Drive way fine in petty Britain - OldSkoOL
Its easier to comment on trivial smaller issues than the bigger issues as the same/similar policies apply but you don't risk upsetting anyone and no worm cans are opened.

Edited by OldSkoOL on 30/06/2009 at 15:10