Hi to all,
I am new to this forum (though not to Chrysler MPV's) and have some techical issues regarding a recently aquired Grand Voyager LX (GS Body - Model build year 2000).
The vehicle is in excellent general condition with comparatively low mileage for its age however I would value assistance concerning restoring full function to its extensive equipment fit and accordingly, any/all advice will be very much appreciated!!
BTW.......I do have access to a 1998 3.3L Grand Voyager LE (almost the same spec as my LX as it had most of the factory options installed) as it has no engine it is a ready source of spares!!!
Issue 1.
The drivers seat heater (backrest & cushion) does not work (passenger seat does btw).
My limited research identifies the components involved as Heater elements, Heater Switch, Heater Relay and Heater Module? Which are common to both seats? Do they share a common fuse...if so which? Where are the relays/modules/fuses located?Looking for a start point diagnosing the problem.
BTW. Have just had a reply on another forum suggesting safety/satisfaction recall D43?? may be required.....Does anybody know if this applies to UK vehicles or only US?
NB. The 98 LE does have a working drivers seat heater are the various components easy to change??
Issue 2.
The reversing sensor system is inoperative on the LX (but not the LE!)......
Both vehicles are equiped with a Mopar Reversing Aid (Part No: 01040148) with sensors adjacent to the rear number plate. They were sold as a genuine Mopar accessory (manufactured by a company called Meta Systems? - marked on interior component). I have a 99 dealer accessory brochure (it was a 'dealer fit' item) and the system is clearly shown!
Is anybody familiar with this particular "accessory" and how it was wired into the vehicle electrics by the dealers? I assume it is somehow wired to the reversing light bulb circuit but how/where is it fused?
Issue 3
When the headlamp leveling wheel (switch) is moved the motors can clearly be heard to work but no adjustment of the headlamp beams is effected plus the motors seem to 'hunt' rather than drive to one stop point.
Again as the leveling system on the LE works how easy is it to swap the components and what is involved??? ............or could it be another problem??
Issue 4 more of a gripe really!!!
The superb trip computer is calibrated in US gallons, is there any way it can be calibrated to read in Imperial gallons hence MPG?? Just hate doing the mental maths from the US measure!!!!!
Perhaps something can be fitted (maybe into a feed wire?) to accomplish the 1.2 X multiplication required to display Imperial Gallons and hence MPG correctly for the UK? .......Maybe some electronic expert(s) have already done this.......... or else might suggest how?
Some people have suggested that this can/has been done with the GS body vehicle. I believe this was fully rectified in the later (RG body) Grand Voyagers from the 2001 Model Year.
All/any advice/instructions much appreciated.........
Thanks in anticipation of your help!!
VP
{Typo in header now corrected}
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 20/05/2009 at 01:24
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D43 recall is for the NS USA vehicle not a GS export so no will not apply. Suggest you do a resistance check on the elements to start with as they are most likely your fault. Fuel MPG can?t be changed as far as I know.
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Hi Merlin Tec
Thanks for your response, partialy guessed as much re the recall as had not heard of this on any UK threads!! Do you know if different parts were involved on the GS spec models then??
Where do I find the best point to locate and check the elements? Are the back and seat heaters combined or separate sources? (neither work drivers side)......I assume open circuit indicates shot elements when I perform test?
What is involved with this 'repair' in respect of the seats? Mine on the LX are the 'perforated leather with suede acents' type whilst (those working) on the 98LE are the 'all leather' type (both same colour btw!).
I have heard Chrysler D43 'repair kits' mentioned elsewhere on the net would these be compatible if the elements are shot?
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Some have suggested GS/NS Trip computer can be calibrated to Imperial measure any thoughts?
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Finally, are you familiar with the Mopar Reversing Aid referred to in my post? Any help would be much appreciated as if it is simply locating a fuse I could check this out very easily once I know which circuit it is on or where it is if stand alone? Otherwise any pointers on likely fault source.....reversing aid on 98LE does function btw...
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I am told headlamp levellers are integral in the healamp units so assume a simple swap with the LE's working pair should cure.......unless you suggest otherwise of course!
Many thanks again for your reply.......
A very grateful
Voyager Pilot
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with regards to the seat heater
first im going to assume no airbags in seats
ok
an easy test is you are looking for continuity ie for the seat to heat you need the electricity to go all round the element fitted and come back out the plug it started at
therefore a multimeter or even a battery and bulb to complete the circuit on the seat would confirm if your seat wire had broke
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the headlights may have been adjusted to the end of their adjustement for whatever reason and so the levellers cant work
have you checked them to see if this is the case
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Hi Bell Boy,
Thanks for your replies........
On subject of Heated Seat will try that with a multimeter.......do you know where abouts those connections terminate?
I have a whole lot of electrics under the seat and would prefer to identify the right bit(s) before I start disconnecting any plugs or modules (relays?)
On headlamp levelers am I correct in assuming the motors and their respective drive system is integral with the headlamp unit on this car as I can see no obvious attachment looking inside the bonnet?
I also assume that you are talking about a fixed adjustment point maybe exceeding the travel range of the levelers? Forgive the dumb question......but where should I be looking?
Thanks again from a grateful
Voyager Pilot
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The headlamp motors you can chance, you will need to remove the light unit (10mm nuts) to get at the motors.
Can?t comment on the seat repair till I look at the parts listed for it. Never done the recall, as it?s not a UK recall so again can?t help. Going from memory there should be plugs by the backrest 1x 2 wires for the backrest 1x 4 wire for the base (2 wires for the heater element 2 wire for the temp sensor) and yes if one fails both will stop. Fault will most likely be the base and yes an ohm?s test will confirm. If I have one in tomorrow I?ll have a look.
Reverse kit I also can?t help I look at the accessories web site today and they no longer list a reverse aid kit for the GS. I was hoping to down load the install instructions for you.
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MerlinTec once again many thanks......
Will have a go at the ohm test tommorow and let you know the result...
Will take off the light unit and investigate motor further........probably sound a bit thick but can't visualise how the mechanism functions as to date have only ever replaced headlamp bulbs in these units! Guess that's a testimony to car if ever there was one!
Thanks also for your efforts in respect of the reversing aid, on my old voyager this was a very useful device so would like to repair (or replace from the LE) if at all pos. I am also keen to keep to the dealer install path to preserve the vehicle's integrety hence my question on fuses/circuits used.
If it helps the in car portion of the aid is marked Meta Systems I guess they produced for Mopar......not sure if this was a UK only part or available worldwide. Any suggestions as to who might help? .....or anybody who might recall doing such a dealer fit in this era??
Your knowledge is most comprehensive and your comments are highly valued
regards
Voyager Pilot
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Hi MerlinTec & Bell Boy,
Seat heaters - Have completed a continuity test earlier today, with the result that the green 2 way connector from the seat back (presume this is correct MerlinTec) has continuity whilst the black 4 way (seat cushion?) is open circuit across all contacts. So I guess that means the seat cushion elements are shot :(
......MerlinTec I am truly impressed as that is exactly what you suggested would be the likely fault.
Now to contemplate the repair......once I know more about parts, availability, price and what is involved....
Headlamp levelers - I have removed the units and located the motors, both had separated from the cup on the rocking prism. Swapped them with the working motors off the LE (just to be sure) and found considerable difficulty in clipping them into their cups.
Reinstalled the units and discovered that the beams were considerably misaligned and when attempting to adjust the alignment screws the motors unseated again and as before hunt when operated.........except now the beams are also way off as well!
Initial thoughts are (as suggested by Bel Boy) the adjusters are hugely off centre, possibly before/during an MOT following the initial failure of the levelers..... In which case I can only surmise that with the levelers already detached from the prisms it was necessary to make massive adjustments to the units themselves to align the beams correctly.
Does this sound plausable?? Or do I have another problem?
If my assumtion is correct, can either of you suggest how many turns from either extreme of adjuster travel I should set them BEFORE reattaching the motors to the prism and then attempting final alignment adjustments to the beams once the units are reinstalled?
Thanks again guys for your most helpful posts......
Voyager Pilot
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Hi MerlinTec............just wondering if you had any more info on the seat repair part numbers?
Can?t comment on the seat repair till I look at the parts listed for it.>>
Thanks in advance,
Voyager Pilot
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Sorry didn't look any change you can post the last 8 of your VIN number that way I can make sure I have your vehicle.
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Hi MerlinTec,
Thanks for your reply and apologies for the delay in responding....have been away for a few days!!
My VIN is 1C4GHB1R7YU521396
Not sure if this is any use but 05166561AB has been suggested as part number also CED5D432....though I think this is most likely linked to the US recall.
Many thanks,
Voyager Pilot
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Hi to all,
GENERAL UPDATE.......For all users.
Thanks to everybody for their help so far..................
To keep you all posted the following are now resolved/under investigation:
Issue 1: Seat Heater - ONGOING.....special thanks to MerlinTec
Issue 2: Reversing Aid (Mopar Part: 01040148): RESOLVED
System inspected and wiring traced on both 1998 LE and 2000 LX. Units were dealer fitted option when new and as such appear to follow no common installation pattern.
The systems are: 1998 LE - Meta Systems SR2 and (a slightly smaller/neater and more modern) SR2C Targa on the 2000 LX. They are manufactured in Italy and appear similar to the commercialy available products of the same name but with a more sophisticated anunciator presumably made exclusively for Mopar.
On the 1998 the unit was found (Gaffer/Duck taped to the liftgate internal structure behind the number plate from where the sensors emerge). The anunciator wiring continuing aside the harness for the liftgate electrics emerging in the centre of the head lining rear trim on both vehicles. On the 2000 LX sensor wiring also follows same path before splitting to emerge behind the lower driverside load space trim panel adjacent to the rear a/c unit. The control unit was located in this area together with the power take off. Further investigation identified a poorly terminated earth and once correctly attached restored full function to the reversing aid.
Issue 3: Headlamp Levellers: RESOLVED
Headlamp units removed and leveling motors (part nos: 04676678AB) inspected. Prism alignment massively out of adjustment such that levelling motor locating spiggot (Ball joint) continually disengaging from prism assembly (Cup Socket) when operated. Prism unit readjusted and levelling motors re-attached, now operating correctly.
Issue 4: Imperial MPG: ???
......Still hoping for a work around if any techs/auto computer module specialists might suggest anything???
Hope this is of assistance to forum users......
Voyager Pilot
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Ok will see what I can find, Just for your info you have an outstanding D17 recall on this VIN so if you have any airbag warning light / Horn or cruise control issues get you dealer to check this recall before you pay for a repair.
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Hi MerlinTec,
Info on outstanding D17 recall much appreciated, will keep an eye on horn/airbag lamp/cruise control........or might just pay a visit to the local dealer anyhow??
Earlier today I was doing some preliminary work ahead of transferring the mobile phone car kit from the previous grand voyager. In doing so I removed the top dash panel on the old LE to wire trace and a couple of items drew my attention. Apologies here if this appears a little long winded but I wanted to clarify what I am seeing/understand. Apologies also if I should have started a new thread on this query but anyway here goes.....
.........Firstly there is a wiring harness which emerges from the driver side dash area which runs to a point just forward of the heater/air con duct before terminating in an unused 6 way plug/socket two wires of which lead to a further small two way plug/socket which is similarly unused. Has something become disconnected or removed??
Secondly, the car kit michrophone wire disappeared under a bare metal plate which I carefully lifted discovering the May & Scofield alarm and immobiliser unit you have previously discussed elsewhere on this forum. Closer inspection revealed 4 sockets, 2 small ones marked TX & RX, one marked Alarm and one marked Immobiliser. Only the immobiliser one is connected (by a short harness) to the main wiring loom.
I checked my papers from when I bought that car and sure enough it states that amongst the optional extras 'factory fitted' from new were the Reversing Aid, CD Changer AND ALARM! I even recall the salesman's explanation: the flashing LED within the radio unit signified the operation of the immobiliser whilst the separate (regular) LED on the lower instrument cowl was that for the alarm. Accordingly, until now I had no reason to doubt that was the case and assumed the alarm set light on the information centre confirmed its operation rather than the usual horn beep/indicator flash.
Turning to the new 2000 LX ....also sold as having the factory option alarm......(the previous owner having thoughtfully provided the original 'Chrysler/Jeep - Genuine Approved Used' sales specification from purchase in 2002 which clearly lists ALARM!!). Also, in the handbook wallet is a small booklet marked 'Chrysler Voyager '99MY+ Immobiliser/Alarm Operating Instructions (Issue 2).
This document reaffirms that the engine immobiliser is standard, whilst the alarm is available as an option. Under the alarm operating instructions it states that 'the direction indicators will flash once' when set and 'chirp' if any doors remain ajar. Neither vehicle does/has done this. Also the 'Alarm Set' warning light is ONLY mentioned in reference to the immobilser section with no reference at all to the radio stack LED's. In the main handbook the reference is even more confusing - Alarm Set Light (Immobiliser) - if equipped...This light will flash for approximately 16 seconds when the THEFT ALARM is arming!!
So.....are the two unused sockets and the lack of any alarm/Tx/Rx connectors to the May & Schofield linked?? (I.E. Should there be an extra harness between these two points?).
Can you please advise what the correct function of each LED and the 'alarm set' warning light actually signifies?......and whether I do or don't have a factory alarm on either vehicle?
If it helps, on closer inspection I can see no ultrasonic sensors in either car......unless they are disguised or hidden somewhere!!!
Sorry to trouble you with this but I have already learned so much from reading your posts on this forum and you are without doubt THE Chrysler guru here at Honest John.....
Thanks in advance,
a somewhat confused..........
Voyager Pilot.
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Ok, This is how I see it but might need to double-check some of it.
The immobilizer is done by a SKIM module (Sentry Key and Immobilizer Module around the steering lock) and nothing to do with the May and Scoffield unit. (on 98 + 97 it will be) bigger key has a chip in it on 98+.
Radio LED has nothing to do with the car and it is just for the radio security.
Do you have a bonnet switch? Set your alarm off and see what sounds horn or siren.
Does sound like you don?t have ultra sonics that plug into the Rx and Tx (transmit and receive). But suspect you will have an alarm and you will have a factory immobilizer.
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Thanks for the clarification MerlinTec.........been given bum information there I guess :(
Both the LE & the LX appear to have a 'plunger type' switch on the forward edge of the bonnet......neither trigger ANY sound when locked with remote and then when opened from either interior or soley by use of key from exterior NO ALARM SIREN or HORN is triggered!!!
I have today also lifted the top dash panel on the LX and guess what, exactly the same......May & Scofield....4 connectors as on the LE....ONLY a harness to the immobiliser connector. Alarm connector, RX and TX connectors EACH lack a connection..... Also the same mysterious 6 way connector and its sub connected 2 way each with no connection lie (secured to a pop clip) between driver's radio speaker and screen heater connection.....btw 6 way plug on the LE is blue on the LX it's red....don't no if that is at all significant?
From your post I assume that the (2?) ultrasonic sensors should each occupy the TX & RX positions but what about the alarm connector??? Where should it's harness go?
How can I replace the missing harness and sensors, Chrysler dealers or May & Scofield (I notice on the LX that the short harness from the unit to the wiring loom carries a May & Scofield label rather than a Chrysler one)?
Look forward to solving this mystery and getting the May & Scofield alarm back up and running!!
Cheers
Voyager Pilot
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Hi
you are probably better off talking to may and scofield as it it there unit. The number is in the immobilzer post on here. I think I have the install instructions somewhere I will try and find them.
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Thanks for that MerlinTec will give them a call.......install instructions will be very helpful :)
Any thoughts on that unused 6 way??
Catch up soon thanks again,
Voyager Pilot
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