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00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Car
What are the advantages / disadvantages of them?

Thank you
00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Peter D
MF were developed initial for the more powerfull engines to absorb the the punch eveytime a cylinder fired and by tuning the anti vibration front pulley and the DMF a smoother engine came to be. Fitting a solid flywheel for a DMF is reported to put considerable strain on the read main bearing and I read that they have had solid flywheel non OEM detroy the rear main bearing cap after stretching the bolts. Regards Peter
00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Car
VW independent has recommended going for a solid one, due to the issues with a dual mass one.
00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - jc2
And will he replace your engine for free if it causes concerns??
00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Car
I read that they have had
solid flywheel non OEM detroy the rear main bearing cap after stretching the bolts. Regards
Peter


Peter do you have a link to the said article?

Thanks

Edited by Car on 26/04/2009 at 08:58

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - sierraman
LuK are supplying solid flywheels to replace DMFs.I do not think they would be doing so if conversion would destroy the engine.I cannot see why a balanced flywheel would anyway,engines have managed very well with them for a hundred years.
00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Car
The one being offered by the garage is a LUK one with a conversion kit. Agree with you sierraman can't see that LUK would want to invite claims for ruinned engines etc.
00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Peter D
From memory it was on the www.vwaudiforum.co.uk in the Passat section, I'll look back and see if I can find it. Regards Peter

Edited by Peter D on 26/04/2009 at 12:46

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - mastertechGeoff

Luk do not supply conversion kits to a solid flywheel type, I suspect you have been quoted on the damped flywheel which is in fact a duall mass that has been pressed out of a single piece of metal and comes with the clutch pre-installed to it, this is often confused with the conversion kits as they are priced around the same but offer all the advantages of a duall mass setup. Also bear in mind there are a few companies out there that try to pass off their conversion kits as LUK by picturing a LUK box or even supplying a yellow box like LUK so be aware LUK do-not supply solid flywheels.

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Number_Cruncher
>>I cannot see why a balanced flywheel would anyway

Think of torsional vibration - then, it's easy to see why replacing a flywheel with one with different dynamic properties can ruin your engine.

Ask very carefully about warranty if you go down this route.

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - galileo
>>I cannot see why a balanced flywheel would anyway Think of torsional vibration - then, it's easy to see why replacing a flywheel with one with different dynamic properties can ruin your engine. Ask very carefully about warranty if you go down this route.

I heard that when original Mini's were built under licence abroad (Spain or Italy?) a solid pulley was fitted to the crankshaft instead of the rubber torsional damper on UK models: allegedly the engines needed major overhaul at c.30K miles as a result of this.

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - vmturbo

If the engine breaks when a solid flywheel is fitted its the hallmark of a rubbish design. This modern stuff that blows up if it is not given a preferred flavour of fully synthetic oil is just a crock of s#1t. One can surmise that when a solid flywheel is fitted it might be a good idea to fit a damper pulley to the crankshaft. Of course a LOT of trouble is caused by miserly drivers who slog their engines in fifth gear in the hope of saving fuel. Shattered clutch plates with protruding buffer springs are the result of such abuse.

As to buit in obsolescence, I sometimes wonder how long it will be before ECUs have a real time clock that kills the car when it reaches a certain age.

As to flywheel bolts breaking, the better types will surely be 12.9 tensile rating flange head bolts. They are of course subject to considerable heating from the clutch. There is so much heat at that part of the engine that PTFE or Viton oil seals are commonly used. The makers instructions to use oil when assembling the parts seems highly suspect however and if problems have occurred before it seems far wiser to use a high temperature high strength engineering adhesive. The clamping force on the flywheel when the bolts are tightened well hard can be of the order of thirty tons and hopefully there will be dowels as well. Torque-to-yield is fairly standard these days as if the bolts are torqued to a lower figure money has been wasted as a similar clamping force could have been obtained with a cheaper bolt.

Often the reason for flywheel bolt failure will be the result of the owner continuing to drive the car when there has been a smash-up in one cylinder. A hydraulic lock caused by water in a cylinder can also do it.

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - Peter.N.

A thorny issue. I have been driving for nearly 50 years and have managed very well with solid flywheels most of that time, I have had the ocasional crankshaft break on Perkins 4/108 engines but that was due to over advanced injection timing and they only had a three bearing crankshaft.

I believe that DMF life and engine reliability are largely down to the way they are driven, and also the oil change intervals. I have a 2.0. Hdi in a C5 and another and a 406 and they have covered 430,000 miles between them and both have the original clutches and DMFs.

I drove Citroen XMs for over 15 years and many thousands of miles, one of the great features of the 2.1 diesel was its flexibility, it had a solid flywheel but would pull smoothly from tickover, gently, not foot to the floor, so was very economical. The Hdi engines are not nearly as smooth and vibrate at 1500rpm or lower so I don't generally drive at those revs, they feel to me as though the flywheels are to light, maybe that's the reason for the inclusion of a DMF.

00 1.9 Dual -v- Solid Mass Flywheel - skidpan

Our 2002 Mondeo TDCi and 2005 Focus TDCi both had DMF's. Our 2010 Kia Ceed CRDi has a soild flywheel.

The Kia can be a little rough when you are starting off compared to the Fords but normally you don't notice any difference.

But the Kia was designed and manufactured to use a solid flywheel.