Tom,
I take it from the above that ONE 6-point offence would be the end of a youngster's driving for a while.
As a clueless foreigner, could you give me an example of a 6-pointer offence?
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Ian,
One of the lads I mentioned who lost his licence for amassing six points managed it in one hit by driving his mates car which he wasn't insured for. Six to eight points for that one.
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Thnx.
Do you know if there is a website where I could check and see the points 'structure' in the uk?
ie, driving at 40 in a 30 zone = 3
crossing barrier line = 4
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Ian(Cape Town)
Using the Keyword - Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 - should bring up the Act verbatum. Go to Schedule 2 and they are all listed.
Fines mentioned Level 1 - £200
Level 2 - £500
Level 3 - £1000
Level 4 - £2500
Level 5 - £5000
DVD
(PS As a favour just pop across to Jo'burgh and make sure
J2J doesn't come back from the Conference)
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I missed the post about insurance/6-8 points for not having any... I've done this once, drove my mates Panda round the block to see if he had any reason to worry about his gearbox (he did, it is grinding into each gear.) Interesting to know I'd get maybe 8 points for this. Silly thing to do. Punishment hardly consistent with other examples is it.
Sorry I'm feeling bitter about anti-driving laws today. I got a parking fine in the swimming pool car park.. the signs are hardly clear and you assume the parking fee is included in the £2 off-peak charge to swim.
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I gather some 50,000 people have had their licenses taken off them for being over the points limit within 2 years of passing the test.
So far, only 26,000 have taken re tests. The DVLA concludes the rest may be driving without a license!
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hehe - here they don't even bother taking a test in the first place!
Estimated 55% of our drivers are either unlicensed or driving on a 'dodgy' license. (ie bought for cash)
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Ian
In the words of Gilbert & Sullivan, I have a little list.
It's a little old now but is still pretty current I believe.
Speeding 3-6 points
Driving unlicensed 3-6
Driving without insurance 6-8
Driving after medical loss of licence 3-6
Driving while disqualified 6
Failing to stop or report after accident 5-10
Careless or inconsiderate driving 3-9.
In addition the offences carrying statutory disqualification all carry 3-11 points.
This may not be definitive but I think it'll give you enough to be going on with!! As you can see there are plenty of sins to choose from.
Cockle
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Does the "6-points and you're out" apply to all new drivers, or jusyt for the 'young'?
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There is no "Ageism" in the act Ian, it applies to everyone. With the number of speed cameras in use nowadays, the safest thing to do is pass ypur test and don't go near a car for two years.
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Thanx.
Our local politicians keep proposing a similar system, but as mentioned above, hardly anyone has a license anyway!
Even the new, improved fraudproof credit card style license - which has to be renewed every 5 years - is already being forged! Banks won't accept it as a form of identification...
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Let's face the facts of the case. You were doing over the specified limit. if you were travelling at or below this speed, you wouldn't have been pulled. Simple. It was down to you, so take the hit and put it down to experience. Sympathy but that's all. And no, I've never been caught speeding, yet!
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I wondered if the voice of reason would appear!
What's the point of bleating about it. You broke the law you pay the price! Simple.
Grow up. That's how things work around here. Learn your lesson and make the roads safer for all of us.
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You broke the law you pay the price!
Muggers don't. Burglars don't. Shoplifters don't. Even rapists are released to escape.
Motorists are the only group of criminals who *don't* get a mandatory caution for a first offence.
Is it so unreasonable to expect the police to regard us as highly as they regard muggers or shop lifters?
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Toad
I think we'd all argue for a levelling UP, so everyone paid the price, rather than a levelling down, where no-one did. That's called anarchy.
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Terry
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"Muggers don't. Burglars don't. Shoplifters don't. Even rapists are released to escape."
Even murderers serving life sentences are released on bail after two years so that they can appeal against their conviction.
Surprise, surprise, they jump bail.
Madness.
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Even murderers serving life sentences are released on bail after two years so that they can appeal against their conviction. Surprise, surprise, they jump bail. Madness.
Meanwhile 18 year old students are deprived of work to pay for their studies.
Tony sees people who look after themselves as the lowest of the low.
I work. So I get taxed, my pension gets taxed, at every corner is a Rozzer trying to cost me my career.
If I was unemployed and illegally driving an unregistered car I'd have no pressure at all. State covers all bills.
No wonder Tony laughs at people like me. Working and driving legally is stupid.
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Thanks, I wanted to say this in my original post but didn't for fear of my question re: an appeal not getting answered and a row being sparked!
Maybe I should give up my insurance and license and buy a £100 Fiesta when I'm there... ;)
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I'm sorry that I see that particular stretch of road as carrying an unreasonable limit. I went over that limit and asked if there was any appeal outside court! Thats all.
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People,
The conversation here is not about politics, pensions, burglars, muggers, etc. etc.
Neither is this Forum.
Mark (RLBS)
Moderator at Work
mailto:mark_moderator@honestjohn.co.uk
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Sorry, Boss.
Please delete my off-topic comment.
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Graham started it!
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Dave,
I had a look at the website and it seems that, because your licence will be revoked, not disqualified, the 'special reasons' defence does not apply. I hope this is not the case.
When you add up the cost of getting back on the road again, it does seem rather extortionate.
Fine £60
Provisional licence after revocation £29
Practical driving test £38
Theory test £15.50
Upgrading from provisional to full £18
Total £160.50
Still, on the positive side, as you won't be technically 'disqualified', all your insurers need to know is that you have 6 points, not three.
Regards
Rob F
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Leaving £9.50 change out of the £170 I just sold my Playstation 2 for, which originally would have helped clear my £370 credit card bill which will now accumulate interest and take a chunk out of my student loan.
Such is life... gotta love this country.
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Things I've never been called in my time, and one is the voice of reason, thanks Graham. One final point is theproof, if it were needed that Toad seems to be one of those 'Wasn't me, I didn't start it. officer!' types.
Stands back and waits for the inevitable retort...
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Toad seems to be one of those 'Wasn't me, I didn't start it. officer!' types.
Having seen first hand the victim of a mugging get the upper hand and go to *crown* court to be convicted for his self defence I'm well aware that the police don't give a t*ss who starts it.
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Things I've never been called in my time, and one is the voice of reason, thanks Graham.
I wouldn't be so proud of the nickname - I recall the arch-conservative Woodrow "send-em-back ... bring back the birch ... bring back hanging" Wyatt had that as his byline when he wrote for the Sun...
:)
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Just checking Graham! Is it that you are very good and don't speed, or that you do speed and haven't been caught (yet)? Your post is slightly ambiguous!
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Dave18 - I would just add to all this that not agreeing with a rule or law is not a sound reason for ignoring it or an effective defense. The trouble is that nobody thinks they're going to get caught until they are and nobody thinks they're going to have an accident until they do. We all think we can stop in time until the day comes when we find we can't and lives are often lost. Sadly in my opinion most speeding is a waste of time - how often does some to??er roar past and/or cut you up only to be caught up at the very next queue, junction, set of lights ......- it's pretty much like lane hopping - a total waste of time ! Learn from your experience, slow down and live to enjoy uni. Good luck.
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I'm not suggesting I was right or wrong, I did 30 through the village and sped up a little once the road led straight on from the roundabout and was much quieter. Oh well, I'll just have to see what happens.
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I'm not suggesting I was right or wrong, I did 30 through the village and sped up a little once the road led straight on from the roundabout and was much quieter. Oh well, I'll just have to see what happens.
I don't think Volvoman was suggesting it was right for you to lose you job D18.
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I've not lost it yet... I mean, my license hasn't yet been endorsed/removed... ;)
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I've not lost it yet... I mean, my license hasn't yet been endorsed/removed... ;)
..and you could re-take before the Xmas Vac and not lose Xmas income.
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Yep the main problem is not letting my stepdad realise my car will be parked up at Aber for a while due to me having no license, ie I'll have to stop driving in a few weeks if I get it revoked.
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We have same as Ian's system. Lovely thing full of holograms and nice colors. Completely meaningless. I've got 3 licenses, all completely genuine, all acquired through the "system". Get nicked, cop takes one off me, still got two more. Our compulsory "driver re-education" seminar before getting back the license is easy, there are guys hanging round outside the license office you can pay to sit it for you....:-)
If you do decide to do it yourself (Madam did) there is someone who inhabits the washroom and will sell you a small cribsheet with the answers on!
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...and before you ever think of it:
A person is disqualified from obtaining a licence authorising him to drive a motor vehicle of any class so long as he is the holder of another Licence authorising him to drive a motor vehicle of that class, whether the licence is suspended or not.
Section 102 Road Traffic Act 1988.
DVD
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Obviously. I mean that in a polite manner - thanks for the help.
Worst case scenario is I'll be driving again properly by christmas.
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