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A friend of mine, a very respectable lady with impeccable character, is very upset over being caught twice by mobile cameras going over the limit in areas where it was 30 but intuitively it looks like it should be higher. She couldn't see any signs. Anyway, I had a discussion with someone over how draconian her punishment is and how worried it made her, having 6 points and feeling like a criminal, when uninsured unregistered vehicles just do what they want. This other person just kept saying, "she shouldn't have been speeding." No matter what mitigating circumstances there were and how certain elements of the cases were unfair, all this person could keep saying was "she shouldn't have been speeding." His air of superciliousness and self-satisfied smirk were annoying to say the least. Think of Norris in Corrie or maybe a self-important traffic warden. He really wound me up. He won't do it again though because I killed him.
Edited by Pugugly on 19/12/2008 at 09:44
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If the road in question had street lights then it is a 30 limit, regardless of having no sign, however this rule is a bit confusing and I think 30 repeater signs should be on all 30 roads.
If there is steetlamps and a sign then its what ever the limit the sign is. There is a lot of open dual carraige eays in Manchester which yuo would think are 40, but are actually 30 but most do have 30 signs even there they are not required.
Edited by Rattle on 19/12/2008 at 01:39
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My tip on speed limits if you're not sure. If your road is designated 40mph or higher the side roads probably are not and will have speed signs on entry. So if the side roads do not have speed signs... you are probably on a 30mph road and there is no change in speed limit.
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I dont blame you for killing him. You just can't win that argument when you come up against a Norris type.
From your post I am assuming that she was driving a little above 30, in a safe manner - in which case 6 points is a bit harsh.
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6 points was 2 x 3 points having been caught twice.
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its seems the 30mph limit in a built up area with streetlights is unknown to a lot of people maybe its about time to run a tv advert campaign to put across this message because it seems to be eluding most people grasp rather then just fining people for this type of infraction we should be asking why isnt it being learned by those on the road afterall its a fundemental of driving
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* maybe its about time to run a tv advert campaign to put across this message *
Its in the highway code book, something all drivers should be familure with before getting behind the wheel.
I agree some roads look like they could be set at a higher limit (wide with loads of view etc), but the limit is the limit and to be caught exceeding it means facing the consequences.
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You'd have thought that after being flashed the first time she'd have been a little more careful?
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I love the self righteousness of some people, especially if I'm around when they screw up. There's nothing finer than pointing out they should have known better...
Let's face it these people have never broken any law in their time, underage drinking, etc.
Scourge of the 'modern' society we live in.
Steve.
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Not really, just stating the obvious... the impression is that she was flashed on the same piece of road at the same time/same bit of road different time... if you get flashed once the natural reaction is to slow down surely?
Edited by b308 on 19/12/2008 at 09:06
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If you don't realized you were flashed until the NIP comes through the door it could be too late and you been 'caught' again, hence another flaw in the speed camera argument. If a traffic officer pulls you over and tickets you, you know you were speeding.
Steve.
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If you don't realized you were flashed
Ooops thought it was the flashing versions... my appolls!
Must read OP closer in future...
Edited by b308 on 19/12/2008 at 09:37
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Another scourge of 'modern' society are the people who think that laws which apply to everyone are actually designed to inconvenience them alone.
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1) Mobile cameras don't flash
2) Learning from mistakes may not be possible - get caught on consecutive days and both NIPs will arrive together.
Driver is at fault for not being observant and not knowing highway code - maybe buy them a copy for Christmas?
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The principle problem with the attitude of a Norris type is that they have to lead squeaky clean lives themselves to avoid charges of hypocrisy. I have yet to meet a single living soul who has never so much as bent a law, or made an ethically dubious decision themselves.
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I broke a couple last night - it was fun though.
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I just wanted to have a go at the Norris types on here. I can imagine their relatives hiding when they go round to visit... "quick! Under the sofa! He's coming up the path!"
The story is completely made up. Apart from the killing bit that is. Ha ha.
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You won't believe this, especially after just admitting to being a liar, but in reference to a certain other thread, I was in a TV advert this year that had "I wanna be a rockstar" as its theme. It's now banned. The fee was £800 but it should have been two grand - the advertiser apparently was too tight. Hope you can read this before it gets pulled for being totally irrelevant.
Ha ha.
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The fee was £800 but it should have been two grand - the advertiser apparently was too tight.
Nonsense. We only paid you £800 because you were rubbish.
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I drove past a speed camera last week that had been burnt out.
it made me smile.
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The fee was agreed before they found out I was rubbish. You were right tho I was rubbish but even if I'd been David Tennant I'd have still got the same. OK got to go and do some work. Ha ha.
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I drove past a speed camera last week that had been burnt out. it made me smile.
Maybe it was burnt out due to bananaman's lady friend in his story driving past it several times a day. LOL ;0)
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Another scourge of 'modern' society are the people who think that laws which apply to everyone are actually designed to inconvenience them alone.
Along with people who don't understand that, while laws necessarily have to be *worded* rigidly and precisely, it is often neither necessary nor desirable that policing and enforcement aspire to the same level of inflexibility.
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>> apply to everyone are actually designed to inconvenience them alone. while laws necessarily have to be *worded* rigidly and precisely it is often neither necessary nor desirable that policing and enforcement aspire to the same level of inflexibility.
Which with regard to enforcement of speed limits is actually the case... despite plenty of moans about speed cameras/monitoring they actually cover very little of roads in this country which have limits of less than the national speed limit, on the rest of them that flexibility exists, albeit unofficially, only if people take the michael with those limits does enforcement start to take place.
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If there are NSL repeater signs where there are streetlights then the limit is 60, not 30. An absence of repeaters would mean 30 if there were 30 signs at the beginning, otherwise it is still 60 unless the street lamps are much closer together then I think you have to check the traffic notice thingy for that road to find out what the actual limit is. It is stupidly confusing. 30s should have 30 signs at the beginning and 30 repeaters so that way no one can possible doubt what the limit is as having an absence of something to enforce a possible 30 limit is crackers.
Correct signage is required to enforce any limit.
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Am I right in thinking that the law doesn't allow repeaters in a 30 zone, for some bizarre reason?
Oh, and the son of a workmate was in an ad earlier this year for one of these rock band games, the one with where they sung Suffragette City. Wasn't that one, perchance, was it?
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There are some near me, but its an unlit stetch of 30 so thats probably why.
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its seems the 30mph limit in a built up area with streetlights is unknown to a lot of people
The 30 mph limit has actually nothing to do with built up areas. It all depends on street lights. Thus a major urban highway wiht no housing nearby but with street light attracts a 30mph limit by default unless another limit is displayed. Similarly a main road, if it is unlit, going through a village where the street it lined with houses attracts the NSL unless a lower limit is dispayed.
Areas with street lights that are subject to the 30mph limits are not allowed to display repeater signs on the ground that it would lead to confusion if they were not shown in other similar areas
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been stopped again by the police on the way home from a gig. Thankful that I haven't had a drink in 4 days (a miracle!).... anyway, nice to see some policing, not just damned cameras!
You have to get into adverts. I got paid a grand to do the fifa 2009 ad in manchester, and gave Wayne Rooney a high five. (My dear, his hands are terribly rough LOL)
my bit was cut out tho.. because, probably, i was rubbish - again. Got paid though! I also did the New York bagels ad. Another grand. I spend it all on sweets BTW.
what's this thread about again?
Edited by Webmaster on 23/12/2008 at 00:28
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You would be fine anyway, I had 7 pints last night, I didn't drive today but I am sure I would be fine to drive now, if it wasn/t the fact I am ill and drowsy (so wouldn't drive for that reason).
Why did they stop you btw?
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probably, i was rubbish
You actually weren't bad in the FIFA thing, but the producer and I thought your high five could have been a bit more nuanced. A little darker, with more menace. It was a bit too triumphant this time.
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... areas where it was 30 but intuitively it looks like it should be higher.
I always drive by intuition.
Who is this Norris Corrie anyway?
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