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1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Quicksilver
I wonder if anybody can give me some hints.

Reliable old AX11 that always starts well and runs well. Has been a cheap car to run and not much has gone wrong.

Recently when braking sharply the N/S front wheel seems to lock up but the car does not pull to N/S when applying the brakes. Brakes work OK it is just that they now lock up a wheel when they did not do this before. There is no ABS on this old car.

Checked the pads on both sides, (still about 25% remaining) and everything seems to be working smoothly, (no sticky calipers that I can see).

Rear brakes are also working OK.

I did bleed the brakes and the pedal feel improved but the N/S wheel lock up still persists.

I do have a new set of pads and will fit them if this will cure the problem but the existing pads still have some reasonable life left?

What could be the problem? Any thoughts from the experts out there?

Thanks for your help.

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Edited by Dynamic Dave on 22/10/2008 at 19:28

1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Quicksilver
Somebody suggested that I check the tyre pressures. Will do this this weekend.

N/S tyre is nearly new and a different type to the O/S front. Could this make such a difference?

Thanks.
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1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - mjm
When does the wheel lock? As soon as you start braking, when you have nearly stopped?
Does it do it every time?
Have you removes the pads and checked that the caliper does slide easily and over all its movement? Are the pads free to move in the caliper?

The flexible brake hose may be internally damaged and stopping the fluid pressure dropping off.
The master cylinder may have a fault on the relevant circuit.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Quicksilver
When does the wheel lock? As soon as you start braking, when you have nearly stopped?
Q>> It seems to do it mainly when you have nearly stopped. It only happens on N/S front. I checked the tyre pressures this morning. All are OK at 2.2 bar.

Does it do it every time?
Q>> No only some of the time and only when braking quite hard.

Have you removes the pads and checked that the caliper does slide easily and over all its movement? Are the pads free to move in the caliper?
Q>> No I have not done this yet. I guess this is a job for the weekend!

The flexible brake hose may be internally damaged and stopping the fluid pressure dropping off. The master cylinder may have a fault on the relevant circuit.
Q>> I guess I will come to this if new pads and a clean do not resolve the problem.

Thanks for your input. I will let you know what I find.

Q.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Bolt-on
There's also the possibility that the rear bush on the suspension wishbone is worn, so check this. I had exactly the same symptom on a secondhand Peugeot 306. This would repeatedly lock up the n/s wheel on heavy braking.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - jc2
Swap your front wheels,side for side and see if the lock-up changes sides.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - madf
Having had the same problem on an old Fiesta I would suggest a faulty brake hose is 60% likely...
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Quicksilver
OK here is an update.

Replaced front pads and brakes seem much better. The old pads still had around 4mm left so worn but not too bad. I also rotated the tyres so the best are now on the front and the cheap China make is now on the rear.

However, when testing the brakes I had the same symptoms as before. This only happened once in around 100 brake applications. The pedal would go down a long way and the brakes did not work very well. N/S wheel locked up and the car slowed gradually. If I pump the brakes they work as normal. There are no leaks and I have not been loosing fluid.

Two thoughts spring to mind.
1. Problem with the split circuit on the Master Cylinder which has an intermittent fault on one circuit?
2. There may be a problem with the pressure limiting valve on one of the rear cylinders?

This is a 3 door AX and has special pressure limiting wheel cylinders on the rear wheels. There does not seem to be a problem with these cylinders but you never know? The servo seems to be OK as well.

Anybody got any good pointers? Am I on the right track to resolve the problem?

All inputs gratefully received!

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1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Quicksilver
I did not notice any problem with the brake hoses. Looked at them under pressure; there was no apparent bulges.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - mfarrow
If the pedal is travelling further than usual then yes I would suspect the master cylinder. Get a new one.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - madf
Internal brake hose collapse has NO external symptons...
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - astrabob
Worth checking the automatic adjusters in the rear drum brakes.

Suppose the auto adjuster in the N/S rear brake has failed. This means that the shoes are too far away from the drum. When you brake, this gap has to be taken up. It makes the N/S rear brake, and O/S front brake less effective. (Because they are linked hydraulically).

Result is excessive brake pedal travel, and N/S front wheel locks up under heavy braking or in the wet.

This is more or less what happened to my wife's Citroen ZX, which shares many of the braking components with the AX.

If not this, chances are sticking front caliper, or flexible hoses which are failing internally.

My wife found out about the braking problems, when it went for the MOT, and it got three fail items for the brakes, all marked *** DANGEROUS ***.

1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Quicksilver
I did think about this as a potential cause of the problem. Why would it only happen occasionally if the adjuster had failed? Surely it would be like this all the time?

There are no sticking calipers, (changed the pads this morning and everything was OK).

I guess I will take off the rear drums next week and see what trouble lies inside!!
If there is no fault there i think it will be a master cylinder fault, (I am thinking that this is the problem already but hoping for an easier, (and less expensive) fix).

Thanks for your thoughts.

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1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - Clanger
AXs in addition to the front flexys have 2 short fleys which cross the rear suspension beam. On the 3 AXs in our household, 12 flexys in total, 8 have been replaced. Your symptoms might indicate it's the RH front flexy allowing pressure drop on the RH front wheel. Good luck.
1989 1.1 RE, trouble with front brakes - mrsarcasm
Are your sure that the one that locks up is the problem? Sounds like that ones working ok and the other is at fault.