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More legislation - billy25
NEW DRIVEWAY LEGISLATION
From 1st October 2008 planning permission is now required to lay traditional impermeable driveways that allow uncontrolled runoff of rainwater.

Released by Communities and Local Government and Environment Agency called 'Guidance on the permeable surfacing of front gardens'

sounds like they are trying to blame the householder for all the flooding! because we have carelessly and thoughtlessly hard - surfaced our drives and thier sewers and drains cant cope.

Doh! - what will be next?

Billy

Edited by Pugugly on 19/09/2008 at 19:30

More legislation - martint123
It's a pity they didn't do this years ago. I think it is quite a valid reason in many areas for flooding in heavy rain.

More legislation - Old Navy
Another jobsworth job creation sceme. I and many of my fellow local residents have block paved off road parking areas, (and abundant free on street too), but living on high ground have no fear of flooding. If you dont want to be flooded dont live on a flood plain, it will eventually flood.
More legislation - Bromptonaut
ON, you may have no fear of flooding but your run off is going somewhere! Agree there's some barmy use of flood plain for building, including along the Nene here in sunny Northants. But a lot of the recent flooding has been in long established developments where various factors, almost certainly including run off from development, have meant the once in twenty year event occuring bi-ennially.
More legislation - billy25
>>sounds like they are trying to blame the householder for all the flooding! <<

I think that in a couple of years if not sooner after this legislation comes into effect, those of us that have non-permeable driveways will find a sub-clause being introduced to our council-tax bill, either by the council (for disposing of rainwater that runs-off onto thier land for disposal) or an extra charge, by the water company who already charge you xxpence/per litre for rainwater that lands on your property and runs down your drains (even without you seeing or using it!).

What would be your position if you installed one of those grid-gulley drains to a soak-away between the end of your non-permeable drive and the council-owned land and drained your drive to your own land?

Billy
More legislation - Bromptonaut
Billy,

I've not looked into it but I'd guess that PP will be dependant on provision of drainage either by a soakaway or other means.
More legislation - GroovyMucker
I and many of my fellow local residents have block paved off road parking areas (and abundant free on street too) but living on high ground have no fear of flooding.


I used to think like that, until we were flooded. You are still reliant on drains, however high you are.

More legislation - Optimist
Don't knock it. It's sensible legislation with a sensible point to it.

Many houses in this country were built in the early part of the last century and have no drive or have a drive but insufficient room for two cars. The garage, if there is one, is often converted to a family room.

People then pave over their gardens with impermeable layers to make room for a or an additional car. Whole streets become like this and when it rains the run-off is torrential.

Since our water companies only reluctantly invest in new works, the old drains can't cope and flooding is the inevitable result.

Even if you don't flood, you transfer the problem down the road to someone else who does.

Just for once, IMO, the legislators have got something right.

More legislation - bathtub tom
How permeable is block pave?
When it's first laid, I presume a fair bit of water can pass between the blocks into the ground below. What happens as time passes, and these gaps get filled with weeds, moss and general dirt?

Quiet today. Lots of BRs at Goodwood?
More legislation - davros
... and about time, too.

We're in the process of creating a permeable driveway after we came across this (stick with it, it's worth reading).

tinyurl.com/5jls72

Davros
More legislation - daveyjp
If done properly there are no gaps as these are filled with blockwork sand or cement slurry after it's laid. I was at a property a few weeks ago which had permeable paving, it was interlocking and had a 5mm gap or so and appeared to be laid on large gravel. The run off water was diverted in land drains to an onsite pond.

Quiet today due to the sun making an appearance - I can hear BR lawnmowers as we speak! Even my car got a wash and a pre winter polish this afternoon!
More legislation - rustbucket
Drives and hard standings that are drained to a soakaway should have been made mandatory years ago as it has been a known problem which overloads drains and usually just runs out to sea and lost (ie not available for drinking after being treated).But thats only apart of the problem, blocked or filled in roadside ditches,building on flood plaines and even farmers ploughing the wrong direction can cause flooding not to mention some crops are directly sown and ploughing is no longer necessary so vast acres are hard surfaced so run off is enevetable.
More legislation - ndbw
I live in Wessex Water area and as all my rain or surface water drains to soakaways on my ow property I was able to secure a reduction in my water rates,well worth checking in your area.
ndbw
More legislation - tyro
>>Don't knock it. It's sensible legislation with a sensible point to it. . . . Just for once, IMO, the legislators have got something right.

Yes, there is a sensible point to it. And yes, I think that people really should, in general, not lay impermeable driveways - or cover their gardens (front or rear) with concrete.

BUT I, for one, am so totally fed up with hyper-legislation, that I would rather it was merely advice, not statute. Not all legislation with a sensible point is really necessary, and I suspect that this comes into that category.
More legislation - Pugugly
The latest joke is at a level crossing in Sussex - Traffic wardens will be waiting to enforce a ban on allowing your car to tickover whilst waiting at the crossing with a £20.00 ticket. Some apparatchik is quoted in the article (in the "other place") as saying that there are already signs there ordering drivers to turn off their engines. A delightful term of phrase in what was once free country.
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