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I don't dish out driver abuse but for some reason I find Porsche Cayennes irritating. They might be very good cars but they are still a bit ridiculous. It's strange, because I quite like VW Touaregs, which have the same basic bodyshell, but with a different front and back.
Edited by Sofa Spud on 11/09/2008 at 22:05
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I find it difficult to be positive re the Audi Q7. Mainly because they don't lend themselves to shores other than the USA, where there is the space, presumably! Hummers are unspeakable - imitative and redolent of the Military Industrial Complex. Eisenhower was prescient.
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Some Subarus really irritate me.
The stupid spoiler on the back as though they're about to go into space looks completely idiotic on an English country road.
Waste of time and energy.
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I'm glad I've just bought one Optimist. I hope you see me on the road!
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Why?
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Why?
To make his day! To get annoyed at the way some other person's car looks is just silly.
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To get annoyed at the way some other person's car looks is just silly. >>
Er, that's the point of the thread, nick. Presumably you like the car so maybe you'd explain what's attractive about its design.
It seems to me that if you take the space shuttle gear off, it's only as well designed as any bog standard saloon.
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think of all that lovely downforce and grip you get round those country bends.
theres a big difference between a supermarket rude boy corsa and an impreza
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I wouldn't say tail spoilers annoy me, but I doubt very much that most of them achieve anything useful in the way of downforce at legal speeds or even quite illegal ones.
Were I to acquire a Subaru or any other car so equipped, I would be keen to remove the tail spoiler as part of the general debadging exercise. I would of course check the facts and figures first, but I would be very surprised if most of these things were any real use at all.
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Lud, I'm told the Sti spoiler achieves 25% more downforce at 100mph and is needed to clean up the poor aerodynamics of a saloon car and offers greater straight line stability. Of little consequence at 60mph of course, but on the track, where many Subarus are used, it matters. The Subaru for you would be a Legacy Spec B which doesn't have and badging or an Impreza Spec D, where the 'D' is for discreet. It is debadged and has the smaller WRX spoiler.
Optimist, my point is that it is a little daft, if I may be so bold, to get annoyed as you say you do at the sight of someone else's choice of car. Dislike it, like it, think it's daft - all fine in my book. But to allow one's blood pressure to rise, daft.
To say that without the spoilers and bodykit an Impreza Sti is merely an ordinary saloon shows a lack of knowledge of the car. There are many mechanical and suspension differences even compared to a WRX, let alone something like a Vectra or Mondeo.
The version I have, the RB320, has been taken a stage further, with many suspension changes and a power upgrade carried out by Prodrive, the company that builds the World Rally cars. I'm sure that will cut little ice with you, but live and let live, each to their own.
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Sounds well tasty nick, but I still don't really like the snorting monster look for myself. Might have done a few years ago though. Spec D would do me fine now. If only...
25 per cent more downforce than what though? I suppose every little helps when you are tiptoeing round on high-speed cornering limits.
Edited by Lud on 12/09/2008 at 18:59
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Interesting response, nick. Thanks.
You're right about blood pressure, of course. But generally speaking the thought of abuse wouldn't even occur without being irritated etc, etc and that's the point of the thread.
I don't have mechanical knowledge of the car. I asked what made it good looking or unusual once you took the bodykit off. I think your answer suggests it's not in the looks.
Each to his own, I agree. I was just responding to a thread on the basis that cars that get abused are cars that get up people's noses. That's the way I feel about some of the Subarus.
Drive safely.
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Drive safely
And you, Optimist, that's what matters the most.
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I don't dish out driver abuse but for some reason I find Porsche Cayennes irritating.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
For some reason I always feel that anyone who drives a Cayenne is somehow telling the rest of the world to go stuff itself.
No idea why that particular car strikes me that way, especially as the joke is really on the driver, who has spent a fortune on a car which costs a lot to run, and isn't any better than anything else about 99% of the time.
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Anything I'm driving, frankly.
Do you think that says more about me than the car?
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Adam, try a Morris Minor. You may get derision from lads, but most other people smile. Hopefully not from pity. :-)
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Adam try a Morris Minor. You may get derision from lads but most other people smile. Hopefully not from pity. :-)
I always smile when I see an old classic on the road. It's great that people have the patience and dedication to keep a little piece of British heritage going.
The one thing that amazes me about the Minor though is how tiny it seems now -- I remember as a kid thinking it was a sort of a middle-size car, not far off an Escort. Now though...
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The one thing that amazes me about the Minor though is how tiny it seems now -- I remember as a kid thinking it was a sort of a middle-size car not far off an Escort. Now though...
Everything has shrunk since I was a kid. I returned a few weeks ago to the street where I spent my childhood, and all the house place has been cunningly replaced with a 50%-sized copy. I dunno who does all this shrinking, but there's a lot of it going on ... and it must be mighty hard work.
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Everything has shrunk since I was a kid
Apart from my waistline !
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Everything has shrunk since I was a kid Apart from my waistline !
No no, PU, it's the measuring tape which has shrunk (or clothes which have shrunk in the wash). At least that's what I tell myself ...
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Without a shadow of doubt BMWs are targets for all sorts of silly driving by other drivers. Driving my better halfs 5 series people seem to go out of their way to slow down in front of it, race away from junctions hoping for a race or are downright rude and cut me up. Driving the Vectra, people are just neutral to that mile muncher and driving the Jag, curiously other road users go out of their way to let me out of side roads etc.
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Easy to stereotype and generalise, so I will.
Nissan Navaras. Too big, generally driven agressively and in the event of an accident, a liability to the driver (that's the only good thing.)
But the question is which make of car attracts the most abuse. I'd say that the make attracting the most abuse is that which is in front of any Audi on a motorway these days as the old 316i crowd have migrated to the four rings taking their carpet samples and anger with them. (tongue in cheek, tongue in cheek...)
It's not solely BMW though, rarely have I ever seen a decent BMW (5,6,7 series) driven badly.
Edited by Citroënian {P} on 13/09/2008 at 17:42
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I suspect the bigger models of all makes are going to come in for more and more abuse as the credit crunch bites. Rising fuel prices forcing more people into smaller and smaller cars will make the big saloons and 4x4s stand out.
At the same time a rising CO2 brainwashing amongst the general population will result in the drivers of the same vehicles being targeted for abuse.
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> ...rising CO 2 brainwashing...
Not sure what you mean by that, Tawse. There's a pretty firm scientific consensus on the CO 2 question. Plenty of room for debate on what to do about it, I grant you, but very few serious scientists dispute the causal relationship. Governor Head-Full-Of-Fairy-Stories Palin, take note.
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rarely have I ever seen a decent BMW (5 6 7 series) driven badly.
Lots of horrendously aggressively driven 520d's around these parts. Efficient Dynamics = low CO2 = lowish company car tax, and low depreciation = low lease costs = very accessible. Now suffering the same tailgating, light flashing, 130 mph on busy road idiots behind the wheel that have plagued the roads going back to the Sierra/Cavalier era and before.
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