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To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy
Heres an interesting poser

my car officially died yesterday on the M4 (see my other post)

For reasons 'unknown' the engine decided to go to that great service centre in the sky

the damage will cost around the same price if not more than the cars current resale value.

I thinking whats the best way to sell it ? sounds silly really as I suppose all your answers will be ?scrap it?

But???..

It did have everything on it extras wise and, after just paying £200 (part only) for 1 single window motor mechanism on Friday, surely the sum of the parts will be greater than the whole?

So the details are as follows:-

2001 x type jag 2.5 SE silver colour with leather / walnut interior

alloy wheels
Pirelli powergy tyres (2 less than 5k miles on them)
Emergency wheel (used once)

Voice activation on everything

Steering wheel with voice control function enabled

Touch sensitive system (larger single 6inch screen as featured on the XK) / AND VOICE CONTROL for

Telephone (enabled)
Radio/cassette/cd
Climate control
Sat navigation
Menu (clock time zones preferences etc)

Sat nav system including jag brand disk (Germanic woman with husky voice ? ideally for those chilly mornings) in boot

5 Cd autochanger in boot

In car telephone in armrest sunken/hidden housing

Leather seats (heated)

Heated headlamp wash

2 x electric ?plip? car keys

Full leather drivers ?handbook? in racing green leather containing manuals for
Drivers Handbook
Quick reference guide
Voice activation
Sat nav system
Log book
Telephone.

Is this time to renew my former past time on ebay or just consign my memories to the scrap heap?
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - *Gongfarmer*
If you could be bothered to break it up and put it on Ebay you would get most for it - but even as a spares or repair you may get a pleasant surprise. Is there an independant jag specialist near you? they might buy it in to use as a "Christmas tree" - I would imagine uncrashed scrap X types are still quite few and far between.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - oldnotbold
Put it on Ebay. Take plenty of good pictures, describe it accurately, and list it on a Thursday night for ten days, to finish on the next but one Sunday.

Put your mobile no. on the listing so people can call you.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy

Put the whole car on as a single entity or as 'bits' ?

yep - the thursdays / 10days option is best - do you know in the usa it costs extra to list for 10 days?
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - oldnotbold
Unless you have all the tools, time and drive space, I'd list it as a whole.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Victorbox
Aren't we back to the question of what the car is worth to you? Unless you fancy a change of car, what unknown quantity are you going to replace the fully loaded Jag with for the price of a replacement engine?
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Mapmaker
Pop on eBay, as "spares or repairs". Get your grammar and spelling right; take good photographs; clean the car top to bottom first, and I'm going to guess (i haven't even read what sort of car it is, or how old it is but I guess it's only worth a couple of thousand, hence this post) that you'll be within £1,000 of what it was worth when "working". Somebody will buy a second hand unit (£500), swap them over - half a day - and sell it - £500 profit.

Flick through eBay and get some idea of good ads - no CAPITAL LETTERS all the way through, sensible font size etc etc. And be utterly honest, and invite viewings.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 01/07/2008 at 13:45

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Cliff Pope
Why not buy another one yourself - you'd just need one with a good engine, and then you'd have loads of other spares to keep your loved one going for years.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy

Its a point well made

however to pay the wrong side of £5k for a vehicle (when its in) worth £3k when I can probably get a decent run around for the same value is the ultimate answer to me.

I know I havent put the history down but these cars are 'money pits' - I got a new (rental) Peugot 207 for the week and to be honest (gadgets and supreme comfort aside) it drives as well (and is a lot quieter) as the jag.



To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Westpig
don't suppose the wheels are 17" and you're willing to sell me one?

serious question as I want to replace the space saver spare wheel on wife's car....don't need a tyre, but am willing to negotiate if you don't want the hassle of mucking about taking the tyres off

am willing to collect 100 miles from N. London.

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy

Will the space in the boot take a full wheel?

My space saver only just fitted the cavity so Im presuming you are happy to have a full alloy in the boot?

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Westpig
under the rear floor there is a tray thingy and under that there is a space saver. If you take the whole tray out there's enough room for a full size spare wheel. The only negative to having the full size one is the loss of the storage tray.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - tr7v8
however to pay the wrong side of £5k for a vehicle (when its in) worth
£3k when I can probably get a decent run around for the same value is
the ultimate answer to me.

How do you make a replacement engine 5K? Someone on E Bay has 2 x brand new engines for under £2K, fitting it ect will be around a £1K tops.
What spec is yours to be worth around 3K?

If the 207 is nicer to drive the Jag must be very baggy.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy

£5k was the

quote for a new jaguar engine £3.5k
new clutches etc
labour

Garage is looking at a price for a reconditioned one!

Spec on my car is that it is a 2001 model with 72k on the clock - looking around autotrader and ebay these are not shifting at £3.5k

TBH Its a heart/head thing - yes I will miss the comfort, gadgets and style of the jag BUT its a real money pit (perhaps Ive been unlucky) this year has cost me (before this episode) £1k over the service just to iron out the niggles that keep going.....the hardest decsion I have is on the saftey issues - it can stop on a pin (less than 2 body lengths at 70 - no doubt saved my life that time) and at just under 1.5t and solid metal it would take a truck to cause you serious damage.

The jag is a 'softer drive' with larger flat seats so you tend to feel any roll and pitch more.

I am seeing a lot of hj-ers questioning my decision (and its great to see this as I feel that Im getting informed opinion)

but I think my decision is to move on - after I have checked the ebay auction ;)

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - pmh
................it can stop on a pin (less than 2 body lengths at 70 .....................


If you can stop this quickly I am surprised that you have not had the rear end rebuilt on a VERY regular basis.

If people believe these sort of figures, no wonder tailgating is so prevalent.

pmh
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Mapmaker
................it can stop on a pin (less than 2 body lengths at 70 .....................


v^2 = 2as

velocity, v: 70mph = 31 metres per second.

Stopping distance, s: - car length 15 feet (?) - so say under 2 lengths = 9 metres.

Solving for decelleration, a: (31^2)/18 = 53

So the g-force of your decelleration is 5.5g. Wowieee, that's one supercar you've got there.

From Highway Code (as I remember it from my Test all those years ago), stopping distance at 70mph = 560 feet. Admittedly some people have faster reaction times, and modern cars stop more quickly, but even so.



Sense test. A very good car does 0-60 in 5 seconds, so lets say 0-70 in 6 seconds.

At 31 metres per second, stopping in 9 metres is 0.3 seconds. So car is slowing 20 times more quickly than any car can accellerate.


>>If people believe these sort of figures, no wonder tailgating is so prevalant
- and wrapping themselves up in 1.5 tonnes of heavily protected motor when tailgating an elderly Fiesta that offers little in the way of protection against such monsters too.

Sorry, OP, I think your "fish" has grown in the telling of the story!
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - pmh
MM

Thanks for doing the calculation, I was being lazy. It was so obvious that the OP is SO unrealistic in his perception, I did not think it worth the effort.



pmh

Edited by pmh on 02/07/2008 at 10:55

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - oldnotbold
Add on reaction time - anything faster than 0.25 second is most unlikely, 0.5 would be pretty good, so that's another 16 metres.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Whisky
Maybe they come with special "Land Anchors"?
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - oldnotbold
Is it possible that the OP did manage the braking as described, and in doing so shifted the engine off its mounts etc? I doubt the mounts are tested to aviation aerobatic limits, which as high as +9g/-3g.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - pmh
Maybe he did indeed stop in 2 car lengths, embedded in the back of a 40' container. that would acccount for the engine failure!

pmh
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Carrow
My mate runs an independant jag specialist, Swallow Spares. 01934 750319, he may be able to help. Ask for Mark or Garry.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy

Thanks for the advice :)

Im currently looking into a suggestion by an earlier poster which may prove fruitful.

Now could we respect the OP now please boys and girls - I accept my posting may have been misleading but I find your attempts to hijack this genuine post requiring advice with mutual backslapping and needless scientifc equations to be unecessary and totally uncalled for.

Perhaps you could set up a post on gumtree - sounds more up your street(s)
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - oldnotbold
UKGuy - chill a bit.

Part of the fun of the BR is the way a thread tends to wander, but stays within motoring. Perhaps you feel that you have in some way lost face by the dissection of your braking claim, but it's all part of the way this forum tends to work, and is not meant maliciously.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Mapmaker
Sorry, OP, no offence intended. As often happens in the BR an assertion is made, rubbished and then somebody else jumps in with evidence one way or the other.

If you do ever give me a lift, please remind me to take out my false teeth! :-o

;)

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - qxman {p}
If you do ever give me a lift please remind me to take out my
false teeth! :-o


And take along a pair of swimming goggles to hold your eyeballs in place! LOL!

Not the first poster to make great claims about his cars brakes - there was some chap who thought his BMW could stop in a quarter the distance of a supermini!

On a serious note, I do think many drivers (particularly of 'performance' cars) over-estimate the braking and grip of their cars. If you work through the basic physics there is not actually that much difference between high performance and basic hatchback. It all comes down to coefficient of friction between the tyre and the road (cue 'Scotty').
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Blue {P}
I think it's very easy to get too optimistic about your car's stopping ability, only two weeks ago I actually mounted the grass verge with my MG whilst trying to nip into a gap in a queue.

I misjudged the approach speed, the ABS cut in and I had a choice of hitting the car in front or swerving off road, I opted for the latter and can still remember managing to make a very quick concious decision to do so in a fraction of a second, loss of NCB can really focus the mind!

I stopped with one wheel up on the verge and my car at a 45 degree angle, level with the rear doors of the car in front. I wouldn't have minded except the roof was down at the time and I had nowhere to hide, fortunately the car behind didn't close up the gap (probably too busy looking on in bemusement) and I was able to quickly reverse back and take my rightful spot in the queue. :-)

The moral of the story is that it's been several years since I've done anything slightly similar (even then it wasn't a patch on this) and my cars have gotten progressively better at going and stopping, I think I just needed the reminder that the laws of physics still applied!

UKGuy - Have you considered taking out a warranty on your X-Type in case it should suffer, plucking an example entirely at random, an engine failure? This would allow you to claim within a month or so and your car would get the replacement engine that it requires...

Edited by Blue {P} on 03/07/2008 at 01:23

To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - oldnotbold
"his would allow you to claim within a month or so and your car would get the replacement engine that it requires..."

We call that fraud.
To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - UkGuy

Yep it would be fraud and therefore not something I would undertake

and even saying I did

the fact the car decided to die on the M4 in front of a Highways agency video camera
the old bill popped by to see I was okay
the RAC attended
the car was recovered at additional cost

and all these items are on a credit card already drawn across for this month and so would appear on the statement before the 'future problem' occured

given the maths used above re stopping distances (sorry for the over reaction boyz - Ive chilled and chuckled now) I calculate my ass would not gain enough traction from the legal kick Id get to stop it (and the rest of my bodywork) ended up in a cell somewhere.

Regards




To scrap or use for parts - any views ? - Round The Bend
New to this thread, but having just read through, I'm beginning to see why the OP's engine gave out....

Edited by Round The Bend on 03/07/2008 at 11:24