Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - henry k
You all know what he was famous for.

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And if you are really into the subject:-
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Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Armitage Shanks {p}
I am not sure that I am personally that grateful to the creator of the mini roundabout and particularly the double - figure of 8 monstrosities. Cause more confusion and dithering than they are worth.

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 27/06/2008 at 22:47

Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Lud
Well-designed roundabouts, even complex ones, ease traffic flow at all times. That includes properly designed and positioned mini-roundabouts where they are needed.

However some local authorities allow their road wonks far too much latitude and give them money for ill-considered projects. Perhaps getting rid of all the money is part of the purpose actually. My own LA is far from blameless in this respect, and I am often held up by fools trying to go all the way round rather nasty cobbled roundabouts, staggeringly badly placed and sometimes bigger than they should be, in a road within a long block of here. I hammer over the things but as I said they are nasty and cobbled.

I'm sure the ex-military Frank Blackmore would have kicked a bit of fundament round here. May he rest in peace.

He probably would have dive-bombed the county councils that deliberately obstruct drivers' view of the approaches to roundabouts, like Surrey and it is said others.

Edited by Lud on 28/06/2008 at 00:27

Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - mss1tw
He probably would have dive-bombed the county councils that deliberately obstruct
drivers' view of the approaches to roundabouts like Surrey and it is said others.


Fancy some late night 'guerilla gardening' Lud? ;-)

Damn things. Normally with a 'THINK BIKE' sign nearby. Luckily my two wheeled tank is high enough to see the cars that won't have seen me...
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Lud
Fancy some late night 'guerilla gardening' Lud? ;-)


If only I were forty or fifty years younger, or much much richer, I would be strongly tempted... But I'm a bit slow on my toes these days, timid and doddery like someone twice my present age. The embarrassment if apprehended might be too much for me.

However I will lead your claque in court, if it ever comes to that, after consulting PU as to how best to baffle, confuse and intimidate county court judges. It's easy I'm sure.

:o}
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Avant
I presume he can't be blamed for that lethal outrage just outside Swindon.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Armitage Shanks {p}
A current 'disaster' roundabout is the Black Cat one on the A1 near St Neots. Southbound traffic almost all wants to take the Westbound exit onto the A 428 across to the MI and Milton Keynes. Almost all the Northbound traffic wants to go straight ahead up the A1 that they are already travelling on. It is almost inpossible to cross this roundabout South to North; a few weeks ago it took me 25 minutes to go a mile up to the roundabout and get across it. No help to traffic flow at all - needs some peak time traffic lights IMO! I don't thank anyone for creating that one.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Lud
Probably a result of road developments nearby that have taken place since the roundabout was put there. May be a case for a 'new road layout'. Personally I favour small one-way flyovers in places like that. There's a 'temporary' one, very useful, for traffic joining from Kew or Richmond, at a roundabout on the A4 between Hammersmith and Chiswick, near Chiswick House, whose name I can never remember. It's been there since the fifties or early sixties, a prefab steel thing that's a bit bumpy to go over but perfectly all right. I bet it only took a week or two to put up.

Of course these days some idiot would be sure to insist that it had to take three years to build and cost more than Wembley Stadium.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - DavidHM
The Hogarth Rounabout, Lud. Unique in my experience but it works very well.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Lud
Thanks DHM. Amazing I can't remember its name because I used to live on the Chiswick High Road side of it around 1960 and worked for a short time in a paint spray shop (sprayer's mate, not much fun despite the free milk, left to teach at a school in Streatham which was even less fun but worse paid) at the top of Chiswick Mall on the other side of it, crossing the road there on foot every day for a while.

Do you agree though that the flyover, which is still sound we hope, must have been quick and cheap to build? Sounds as if that A1 roundabout could really do with one.

I've just remembered that there's one at the top end of the Old Kent Road too.

Edited by Lud on 28/06/2008 at 16:15

Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - henry k
>>near Chiswick House, whose name I can never remember.
It's been there since the fifties or early sixties,

>>
As DHM said - Hogarth is the name. ( as listed on Google earth)
Prior to the "tin flyover" as in my household we call it, IIRC there were some very nasty accidents to truckers.
Driving eastwards and lulled into a trance from way west and suddenly a roundabout looms. Rather than tipping the rig on its side straight over seemed a better option.
Accross the middle of the roundabout was a glass roofed pedestrian subway.

I too worked near Chiswick roundabout and watched the flyover evolve including rerouting the trolley bus wires.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Lud
There are lights on the roundabout now, five years old or more, affecting all traffic except cars and light commercials using the tin flyover. They work fairly well but you may have to go through two lots which can take a couple of minutes, up to five on those summer weekends. There's often a lot of dodgy lane-changing there too.

Of course the artist William Hogarth lived in a house in the grounds of Chiswick House and the roundabout is named after him.

Edited by Lud on 28/06/2008 at 16:59

Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - gordonbennet
Agree with that AS.

That junction is hell to cross Northbound, of course it could do with a few more plantings and camouflage really, as you can still see anyone coming round the corner just before they hit you.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - drbe
My personal favourite is the five small roundabouts on one big roundabout at Heathrow - Hatton Cross.

The big roundabout is also "dual carriageway", so you can go round it clockwise or anti-clockwise and it works.

Did Mr Blackmore design that as well? My belated congratulations to him if he did.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - Sofa Spud
Mini roundabouts are a great invention - well, not invention really, just a smaller version of a........roundabout.

A bad mini-roundabout is the result of bad traffic planning, not the mini-roundabout concept.
Frank Blackmore. We all owe him. - ifithelps
Nearly T-boned at a mini-roundabout a few months back.

Going straight on, I decide to observe the roundabout to a point which means a serve to the left, then right to carry on.

As I swerve left, guy behind assumes I'm turning left and starts to overtake.

I swing back to the right and things get very close.

The moral of this story is don't follow so damn close.

If he had kept a proper distance, there would be no collision danger, whatever the rights or wrongs of my driving.