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Some questions about wheel bearings - tyro
My Berlingo has just failed its MOT. A front wheel bearing.

Now, I know nothing about wheel bearings, so one or two questions.

1) Is it unusual for a car to fail an MOT because of a wheel bearing? (car has 70,000 on the clock)

2) What factors would cause a wheel bearing to wear out faster?

3) Would a Berlingo wheel bearing be a time-consuming item to fit?

4) Would a Berlingo wheel bearing be a fairly unique part, or would it be the same as other Citroen wheel bearings?

5) MOT was done by a Citroen dealer. Should I have expected them to tell me that the only problem was a wheel bearing, and offer to put the problem right there and then?

Some questions about wheel bearings - FotheringtonThomas
1) Is it unusual for a car to fail an MOT because of a wheel bearing?


Only if it's not failing or failed.

2) What factors would cause a wheel bearing to wear out faster?


Over-tightening if taper roller. Ingress of muck and wet. Poor installation.

3) Would a Berlingo wheel bearing be a time-consuming item to fit?


No idea. Driven wheels likely to be more "involved".

4) Would a Berlingo wheel bearing be a fairly unique part or would it be
the same as other Citroen wheel bearings?


Probably bog standard for the range.

5) MOT was done by a Citroen dealer. Should I have expected them to tell
me that the only problem was a wheel bearing and offer to put the problem
right there and then?


Depends on their schedule, amongst other things.
Some questions about wheel bearings - RichardW
1. WB's fail from time to time. Getting to an MOT and getting a failure is quite unusual as they're normally noisy when they go and need repairing to stop them driving (no pun...) mad.
2. These are sealed double row ball bearings - they can't be overtightened. Most likely the seal has failed and water has got in and wrecked the bearing. I have a suspicion though that rough roads may cause the bearing to spall and fail that way (NSF went on our ZX last year, and my wife drives along avery rough road to work....).
3. Berling Front WB probably 2-3 hours labour - you have to remove the hub from the car. ABS if fitted adds a bit to the complexity and the work may knacker the ABS sensor, adding another £75 to the cost.
4. Probably shared with Xsara and several other variants - but most wheel bearings are available cheaply from factors. Any garage will be able to fit one for around £100.
5. As FT said, depends on their schedule - I would expect the cost to be at least twice the cost of an independant though, so would avoid it like the plague.
Some questions about wheel bearings - Number_Cruncher
1) No, wheel bearing failure is quite common. It's almost certainly not an indicator of trouble anywhere else, and it's failure shouldn't make you worry about the rest of your car.

2) Typically, wheel bearings don't wear out as such. They can fail due to seal failure and contaminant ingress as mentioned by Richard, but, by far the majority actually fail via a fatigue mechanism. There are many other failure mechanisms relating to poor materials, and poor lubrication, but most bearings in cars don't fall foul of these issues.

As rolling element bearings typically have very localised contact between bearing and race, very high stresses are developed there. The area of maximum stress is actually just below the surface of the race, and the fatigue failure usually begins there. You can't see it until the crack propagates, and breaks the surface of the race - at which point, the bearing usually becomes noisy.

Here's the fun bit - the bearings can't be designed with an absolutely known and guaranteed life; it's a statistical thing. Once you design or call up a rolling element bearing to be used in an application, you accept that however you size and specify the quality of the bearing, however large a design margin you place on the loading calculations, you WILL have warranty failures.

3) Beyond my knowledge

4) Way beyond my knowledge

5) It depends *exactly* what you asked them to do. Reporting back, and giving you the option seems a reasonable thing for them to have done IMO.


Some questions about wheel bearings - tyro
Thanks, gentlemen. That is most helpful.

I can, by the way, confirm that there has been no noise.
Some questions about wheel bearings - Lud
I would agree with NC that a wheel bearing will usually become noisy before it becomes an MoT failure (presumably as a result of wear causing noticeable play when the wheel is jacked up and rocked vertically). In this case that hasn't happened. Some taper roller bearings are adjustable, and can be tightened up a little to compensate for wear. But non-adjustable double-row ball bearings are not, and have to be replaced.

It isn't an amusing job usually. The difficult bit is the removal of inner or outer races from the wheel hub or hub carrier and the insertion of new ones, which can call for a big bench press. Good mechanics can often improvise, but an amateur can get into trouble with tight interference-fit components. If the bearing is in one piece it will come with lubricant already in it. If it comes apart and has to be assembled in situ, immense care has to be taken to avoid the introduction of any grit or dirt, and to lubricate with the right amount of the right grease.
Some questions about wheel bearings - tyro
Well, just to finish the story, the repair has been done.

RichardW gave some good advice when he wrote "I would expect the cost to be at least twice the cost of an independant though, so would avoid it like the plague."

Alas, I had already agreed for the dealer to do the work, and it came to . . . £177.03. Ouch.

I have promised myself that I am not going to visit that particular glass palace again.

(Oh, and I'm sure no-one will be surprised to learn that despite the 'advisory' last year on bushes being somewhat worn, and the fact that nothing has been done to them since, nothing about bushes this year. This year's advisory was brakes juddering slightly.)
Some questions about wheel bearings - tr7v8
Alas I had already agreed for the dealer to do the work and it came
to . . . £177.03. Ouch.

Personally I don't think that's bad, the bearing is probably around £40-50 plus 2-3 hours labour.
Some questions about wheel bearings - tyro
Personally I don't think that's bad


Thanks. That makes me feel a bit better about it. All encouraging comments welcome!
Some questions about wheel bearings - L'escargot
2) What factors would cause a wheel bearing to wear out faster?


Incorrect fitting technique.

Putting a load onto the balls/rollers during the fitting process (by, for example, pressing onto the wrong race) will cause damage. And a hammer should never come anywhere near a ball or roller bearing.
Some questions about wheel bearings - dumbo
My wife's 1400cc petrol Astra, S Reg, has had two wheel bearings in its 70k lifetime. Both of them were on the same axle. I find this odd and wonder if, when the car was constructed, the body jig was slightly out of true.
Some questions about wheel bearings - bathtub tom
I discovered some time ago, that wheel bearings tend to be case hardened, but if you buy the same bearing 'off the shelf' for general use, they tend to be through hardened.
I've never been able to find out why.
Some questions about wheel bearings - zookeeper
70k for a wheel bearing is about right, for both to go on the same axle sounds pretty good , did you mean on the same hub?
Some questions about wheel bearings - zookeeper
i have a question for the spanner lads, is it false economy buying things like wheel bearings from the local motor factor or is it best to get them from main dealer? reason i ask my brother fitted a wheel bearing to his ford and it was manufactured by daewoo?
Some questions about wheel bearings - yorkiebar
have a question for the spanner lads, is it false economy buying things like wheel bearings from the local motor factor or is it best to get them from main dealer? <<


I avoid buying from main dealers, unless car is under warranty, or unless customer insists on it. Generally Its because The "genuine" parts are not made by the vehicle assembler and are often much more expensive (with some notable exceptions; esp headlamps) for the same item.

Wheelbearings are generally a very good example of this. A bearing from a dealer will be exactly the same as from a factor (generally; certainly ford, vauxhall, citroen, peugeot, renault) but will not include all the seals and clips needed (all sold seperatly to increase the price). The kit from a factor will include everything including hub nuts, and the bearing will have the same manufacturer as the dealer 1 , with the same part no stamped in etc.

Knowing a manager from a bearing plant in luton, the bearings come off the same assembly line wherever they are sent to. So there is no qulaity advantage being sent to the dealers etc; just the price difference.

Others will tell you the dealers the best place to go.

I leave the choice to you.
Some questions about wheel bearings - FotheringtonThomas
>>it false economy buying things like wheel bearings from the local motor factor or is
it best to get them from main dealer?


It doesn't matter, except on price. You could go to an ordinary bearings stockist, nothing to do with a motor dealer/factor at all. The MF will quite possible be more convenient, & have a better price, though.
Some questions about wheel bearings - dumbo
Sorry Zookeeper, I did mean the same hub. The other three bearings are the originals.