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I agree with DrS, I also dont see how an RX-8 falls into the category.
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S Type Jag? Cheap too - so D not such an issue!!
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S Type Jag? Cheap too - so D not such an issue!!
I would love the S-Type Jag if they can put a LSD in the rear diff!
As it is, I struggle to see the purpose of the S-Type 2.5, 2.7 or 3.0 as the XJD or XJ6 out-performs it in every way (performance and economy).
I have driven both S-Type 3.0 and XJ6 in 2004 and I always preferred the 2004 XJ6. As such, even though the XJ is outside my budget, I would rather wait for a year and I would not choose the inferior S-Type.
Also, wouldn't a Jag be too young for a 27 year-old?
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Mileage wise I cover around 10k business, 5k private miles. I am refunded 40p per miles (tax free). I am happy that I can go for a low depreciation:high running cost or high depr.: low cost option.
I have been running 2.0 petrol Mondeo Ghia X for the last 20k and even though servicing was reasonable, fuel consumption was 22 mpg in central London or driven hard and 32 mpg when on out of London business trips. As an IAM member, I try to drive smoothly and economically but make good progress. Bearing in mind I used to have a Nissan QX 3.0 auto and it did 32mpg on motorway and 18 mpg in town, that's not a big different in town and no different out of town; thus I am happy to have the RX-8.
Insurance on RX8 is about £200 pounds p.a. extra, I expect with higher power cars (those in excess of 200bhp), the fuel consumption on out of London trips will be similar to what I get anyway. I town I can stomach the consumption because my daily commute is from Canary Wharf to Westminster so not far by miles.
I just want to have a car which I enjoy driving which may cost a little more to run (but less than 40ppm) to complement the SMART Roadster I bought my girlfriend at the beginning of this year. I have to say that I always look forward to use the SMART when she don't mind using the Mondeo.
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Too young for a Jag!!
But not a Mondeo Ghia X, Nissan QX 3.0 auto, Subaru Legacy 3.0 saloon it would seem!! ;-)
Joking aside ? do you pay the congestion charge on your commute? If you do then think very carefully about an RX-8 as it will be £25 a day from Dec, I think.
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Too young for a Jag!! But not a Mondeo Ghia X Nissan QX 3.0 auto Subaru Legacy 3.0 saloon it would seem!! ;-)
The Jag will be too young for me, not too old. I would rather have something completely annoymous now (like a Legacy) or something totalling different like a SMART Roadster, RX-8, 350Z or even Monaro
Joking aside ? do you pay the congestion charge on your commute? If you do then think very carefully about an RX-8 as it will be £25 a day from Dec I think.
I was told Mazda, like to the 350Z, was a band F and not band G (before 2006), thus not needing £25 for CC.
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I would be very wary of getting any type of higher polluting vehicle and assuming it won't end up with a higher congestion charge in the future....I suspect Ken will introduce a tighter and tighter set of bands such that anything much above a 1.6 diesel focus is paying £15 or more in the next year or two. My local council Lambeth has introduced new residential parking payments and the "old" price equates to a supermini and the price for even a modest mondeo type car is now 100% up on what you paid last year. I expect Ken will tighten the screw v quickly.
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Also what about the tube? Canary Wharf to Westminster is all on the Jubilee line...20 mins tops and much less congestion for the rest of us to worry about (travelling by bus)....
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Some sort of convertible now that winter is here? & sell again in summer? Any chance of a Saab 9-3 @ that price, that would sort of smooth depreciation out a bit wouldn't it, or how about a Volvo C70. Or a mini of some sort, they have fun handling. Finally, R32 Golfs are about 10k now I'd imagine the hold value well & are well regarded in the driving stakes too. An economical little runabout!
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You want a great handling RWD car but you wont have a BMW. Hmmm.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face? Whilst BMW's are not a parragon of amazing reliability, the electronics are far from weak. You are more likely to run into issues with other things than the electronics.
Edited by MichaelR on 05/11/2007 at 23:28
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If low depreciation is the priority, forget everything else and buy the latest 6-speed Golf GT TDI PD you can find within budget. All bar the leggiest, scabbiest 2000/1 models are still fetching £6k+
Not an exciting car, but perky, economical, and beautifully finished inside.
Cheers
DP
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Sorry but for those close to me who owned BMWs, they are not particularly cheap to run.
I don't see the point of 3-series (E46) because they are just approximately 65kg lighter than the equivalent engine and spec but much larger 5-series (E39); thus the 3-series does not out-perform 5-series by that much.
Sorting out the suspension on the 5-series cost a fair amount of money as a lot of people mentioned they are not quite up to the job for such a heavy car.
The 5-series and 7-series are considered too "old man" in the car park conversations I had.
M Coupe and Z4 have only 2 seats.
That leaves the 6-series which, however good they are, still have a long way in absolute depreciation terms.
Same analogy can be applied to the Mercedes and Audi car range.
Also, my girlfriend does not want a BMW, Audi or VW.
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Unfortunately for what I do, I don't normally know where I would be at the end of day or even what time I would finish work.
The morning drive to work is not too bad, leaving house at 7 gets me in for 7.30. I leave about 15 min. walk from CW tube station so winter/windy days are quite uncomfortable. Also, sometimes I finishes at 7 but sometimes I finishes at 2 in the morning. As such I enjoy the relative comfort of my own car and not needing to waiting for a cab when tube has stopped working.
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Best you give up becuase you are very fussy and have a very strict critera. You want something not many cars have - RWD - but then you want to rule out all the volume producers of RWD cars. Very sensible. Not.
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Best you give up becuase you are very fussy and have a very strict critera.
I get the impression that Gazza is very impressionable and is setting himself up for failure by having unrealistic goals. He seems to be too easily swayed what other peole around him say or think.
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You really need to try some of these cars out, as you'll be spending more time driving than than collating feedback from your co-workers etc. I can assure you that RWD doesn't make that much difference unless you're driving the car to quite extreme levels and is actually a bit of a menace in the wet.
Regarding depreciation, there are 4 ways to beat it:
1 - buy a car that depreciates slowly, such as the VW Eos
2 - buy a car that has already hit the bottom of the curve, such as a diesel Golf or older Boxster (fingers crossed)
3 - buy a car that has depreciated but not been used so you get the benefit of low price & newer car, i.e. pre-reg MG V8 4.6 (which I believe is also RWD)
4 - don't sell the car at all, thus avoiding the hit
I suggest you try a golf 2.8 V6 4motion, which has 204BHP, 4 wheel drive (which will let you drive round corners like an idiot same as RWD but won't let you do 'phat' drifts), and has a nice discreet but smart image & lovely interior. 8.5k will prob get you a 5 year old model with leather, xenons etc. It's certainly the car I'd look at at that budget.
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Don't believe Perleman
The EOS value drops like a stone - we are in the process of trading one! VW are selling too many of them - the wait for a Corsa is almost as long - 10 weeks versus 12!
The least depreciating car we have owned as a family is my son's 1.0 Corsa. £5k four years ago at just over a year old, still probably worth around 2K if the adverts in the local press for older, higher milage cars are to be believed. Four seats but would not want to drive it far with four in!
Edited by ijws15 on 07/11/2007 at 12:22
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I read in 911 & Porsche World that the Eos was 2nd on some European list for slowest depreciating car at the moment, they were supprised that a VW was on the list IIRC
List price vs. trader:
Model List Trader price range
1.6FSI £19,772 £17,195 - £21,490
3.2 V6 £29,527 £24,995 - £33,400
Doesn't look too shabby to me.
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Doesn't look too shabby to me.
Doesn't look like £8500, either :-(
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Read up the thread, my friend - I was merely citing Eos as an example of one of the 4 ways of beating depreciation, not reccomending it as a suitable car as that clearly doesn't exist!
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Sorry, pm, I meant that as a "sigh" at the end!
For depreciation-proof motoring for £8500 I'd recommend a Mercedes W124 320 coupé and sticking £7000 in a high-interest savings account :-)
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My only suggestion is lexus,
I second that, if you rule Merc & BMW out, can't imagine any other reliable RWD car!
But you might need to stretch your budget for that - if you prefer buying fairy newish..
On a side note, used Mazda RX8s are quite cheap. Though fuel cost might be an issue.
Edited by movilogo on 07/11/2007 at 13:35
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It's best to take all these depreciation tables with a large pinch of salt as they are based on the manufacturers' book price, who pays full price for a new car? Very few models command full list.
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No idea about the Eos, but I'd agree that handling issues aside the most sensible car long term costs wise you could buy for that sort of money would be a Golf GT TDI 130 with about 50k on the clock. They are in very high demand and will probably remain so. Early Mk 4 examples still fetch £4500 all day long.
If it's a normal saloon type car you are after and are interested in relatively easy resale it has to be a diesel. On a sports car it is not as important.
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Then get it chipped to 170BHP
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