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Speeding - what not to claim in court - hxj

Caught at 101 in a 50 and claims it was his son -

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7075427.stm

Six weeks in prison should concentrate the mind!
Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - henry k
A senior manager at BMW's Oxford plant has been jailed after pleading guilty to a speeding offence and trying to claim his son was behind the wheel.
Thomas Moser, 48, of Oxford, was caught by a speed camera in May doing 101mph in a 50mph zone on the eastern bypass.

Despite photo evidence Moser, the finance director at BMW's Cowley plant, said his 19-year-old son was driving.

He was given six weeks in jail and a 12-month ban after admitting speeding and perjury before Banbury magistrates.

Henry hope you don't mind I merged the two threads about the same subject. The OP of this one beat you to it by a few minutes

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 02/11/2007 at 21:10

Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - bell boy
good
Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - nick1975
Doing 101 in a 50!!

Should be banned for life!
Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - rtj70
Surprised he didn't get a lot longer. Not for the driving but for the perjury. He deserved longer for the driving too in my opinion.
Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - nb857
Doing 101 in a 50!!
Should be banned for life!


That's a bit harsh. The speed limit rarely gives an indication of how safe it is to drive at, it just tells you how many NIMBY's moaned about it.

Also, if the roads were policed by real live coppers in fast cars with shiney shoes and advanced driving skills, it would be more difficult to claim that your son was driving when you get arrested.
Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - bignick2
"caught by a speed camera"

so he has ignored the camera warning sign, the big yellow box on the pole and the speed limit signs. Then lied to the court. He deserves an extra few months for being stupid!

Surely 100+ in a 50 zone constitutes dangerous driving rather than just speeding?

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 03/11/2007 at 13:30

Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - Armitage Shanks {p}
"so he has ignored the camera warning sign, the big yellow box on the pole and the speed limit signs. Then lied to the court."

The placing of camera signs is in no way related to the location of scameras, since April this year they no longer have to highly coloured, but apart from that the man is none too clever.

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 03/11/2007 at 13:26

Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - bell boy
AS you are such a polite fella
Offloading speeding points. Not a good idea. - J Bonington Jagworth
"said his 19-year-old son was driving"

Any word from the son on the subject? On the face of it, it seems pretty despicable claim. Didn't Jonathan Aitken try to use his daughter to deflect a charge against him? Not exactly a shining example...

Edited by J Bonington Jagworth on 04/11/2007 at 17:58

Speeding - what not to claim in court - Falkirk Bairn
>>Six weeks in prison should concentrate the mind!

Is this another "MINI ADVENTURE"?
Speeding - what not to claim in court - milkyjoe
at least he will be out in time for fathers day ;)
Speeding - what not to claim in court - ForumNeedsModerating
The worst bit for him, I would imagine, is that he's probably lost his job too. The punishment is probably correct, but I wonder if the courts ever bear in mind the 'unofficial' & subsequent sentence someone might suffer? It was a totally silly thing to attempt to avoid his due by personation, but still, the guy's life is now in ruins. He didn't kill or injure anyone after all.

Edited by woodbines on 03/11/2007 at 11:54

Speeding - what not to claim in court - Pugugly {P}
A strange spin Woodbines. If I had a senior manager who was a proven liar with the apparent morals and ethics of a street-criminal I guess he's be looking for a new job rather than have his ways risk my company's image.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - bell boy
Agree with pugugly, i can get along with most things, but a liar and a perjurer to boot ? no thats why my original post just said good.

Speeding - what not to claim in court - L'escargot
Six weeks in prison should concentrate the mind!


Room 101?
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L\'escargot.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Aprilia
The jail time was for the perjury alone.

I very much doubt that he will lose his job....
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Robin Reliant
He might not loose this one, but he may find it damned hard to get another. Along with house and car insurance, a jail sentence does tend to get a "Sorry, we can't help you" response.

We all speed, but 101 in a fifty is begging for it, particularly as he wasn't even concentrating on his driving.
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Speeding - what not to claim in court - Pugugly {P}
He'll find it very difficult to get into the US as well.....
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Lud
Ah, the Oxford Bypass... used to be unrestricted 3-lane. Everyone who could used to do 100 along there. Good bit of road although 3-lane has a dodgy side.

Not allowed now that nearly all cars can do it and their braking and roadholding has improved out of all recognition. Naturally. The Lord giveth and the elfnsafety taketh away.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Bill Payer
I wonder if he'll be deported when he comes out of prison?
Speeding - what not to claim in court - greenhey
I'm puzzled by your claim that the Oxford Eastern bypass "used to be unrestricted"
Surely it's at least 25 years since the 70 limit was applied as the amximum speed on any road in this country?
I have lived on the outskirts of Oxford for 14 years and most of the ring road looks to me like it was built within that time.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Lud
I am talking about what used to be called the Oxford Bypass. Coming from London, the A40 turned right at Headington roundabout and went round Oxford to the north. That used to be unrestricted 3-lane, obviously before the imposition of the accursed NSL which to some of us was a fairly recent event that still annoys. Subsequently a dual carriageway ring road was constructed the other side of Headington roundabout, turning left coming from London and running round Oxford on the east and south to the Cowley plants and beyond.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - bell boy
did it go through a cutting in some small hills lud?
i remember having a car fire roundabouts there if it is circa 1978
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Lud
There may well have been bits of cutting, but I haven't been there recently. It was a well-constructed, fast, sweeping pre-war three-lane, with several roundabouts fairly close together on the Woodstock and Banbury (I think but may be wrong) roads.

First car I drove any distance in, a pre-Farina column-change A55 hired in Oxford by some friends, I remember squealing its tyres in my hands round all those roundabouts on the way back from a rapid trip to Cornwall... Should I confess that I didn't have a driving licence? No I can't, it's all gone dim...
Speeding - what not to claim in court - henry k
>>I am talking about what used to be called the Oxford Bypass.
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One of my early motoring memories was being a passenger in a Rover and it getting a blow out at about 70mph. (circa 1950s). What excitement, both the speed and the blow out. ( we never had a car)
It was also the Black & White coach route from London to Cheltenham where whe had lunch and changed to the Red White coach to Gloucester, over the Severn and into that foreign land Wales. Fortunately we got off before the border ;-)

At least they have recently improved said roundabout to aid the right turn.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - greenhey
The NSL surely goes back to the oil shortages in the 70's ?
" A fairly recent event that still annoys"?
And yes, I agree that cars do have better brakes and handling now ; but traffic density is much higher , and there's no evidence that driving competence has increased.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Lud
but
traffic density is much higher and there's no evidence that driving competence has increased.


Alas, this is all true. Especially the driving competence bit.

:o{
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Pugugly {P}
NSL goes back further than the Yom Kippur fuel crisis. A class road speeds were 70 then and they were reduced to 55 and then back up to 60 (wow thanks).
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Bromptonaut
NSL 70 was the work of Ernie Marples while (Tory) transport Minister in the early 60s.

Initially an experiment, but confirmed later by the following Labour adminstration.

Marples became something of a hate figure for motorists - the graffiti "Marples must go" was said to visible on certain M1 overbridgs until they were removed in the 1980's Brakespear to Berrygrove widening scheme.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - J Bonington Jagworth
"Initially an experiment"

As was Income Tax! Wonder why they kept it..?
Speeding - what not to claim in court - OldSock
NSL goes back further than the Yom Kippur fuel crisis


Presumably this gave rise to the phrase "Done up like a Kippur" with reference to motorists worldwide :-)
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Statistical outlier
To expand on Lud's answer. Eastern bypass could be either one of tw stretches. If he had gone north from the Green Rd roundabout (A40) then it would be easy to hit a 'safe' 101 mph. Downhill start, 3 mile ish long straight with no turnings for first mile and a half, good visibility, very wide verges (10m fenced in) and quite wide (although 3 lans would be 'snug'!

If he was south of the roundabout then again longish straight, but lot more congested so not as easy to justify.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - StevieC
He'll find it very difficult to get into the US as well.....
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> See!!! Every cloud does have a silver lining!>>
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Bill Payer
I very much doubt that he will lose his job....

Really - what kind of company would employ an FD with a conviction for perjury? I would be especially astonished if a company like BMW would allow him to remain in his job.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Carl2
What a selfish person to expect his son to accept the punishment on his behalf. Wonder what he would say if his son said "Oh dad I,m getting done for doing 101 in a 50 limit. Not a problem though I told them it was you!". Any normal parent would do any thing to help their children. I fail to see how anyone could work with someone who would behave in such away.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Another John H
There are some terrible people masquerading as managers - I've met a few who would quite happily lie to customers and staff alike.

Me? It appears I'm too honest to be a manager. But it's an unprintable story (from my perspective, anyway).
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Peter S
I'd assume a prison sentence would soon see a production line worker losing his job, and don't see why it should be any different for a 'manager'. But what are the odds he is transfered back to Germany and moved to another (lower profile?) role...

Even if he doesn't lose his job (and lets face it, an FD with a conviction for perjury doesn't portray the right image for most companies...) getting to the MINI plant by public transport for 12 months could be a bit of an eye opener ;-)

All IMO...
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Aprilia
getting to the MINI
plant by public transport for 12 months could be a bit of an eye opener
;-)


Car and driver probably be provided.....

I worked for one company where the top man had a bit of a 'drink problem' - it was pretty well known in the company (I attended one meeting and he had to be 'helped' up the stairs on arrival!).
One day the inevitable happened and he caused a collision - well over limit - banned from driving. The board decided that this was an appropriate time to provide him with a driver....
Speeding - what not to claim in court - JH
AJH

I've been cloned in more ways than one!!! :-)

JH

Edited by JH on 04/11/2007 at 14:51

Speeding - what not to claim in court - Another John H
cloned post deleted

Well, you were here first and took the handle I would have chosen - by about 44 weeks - so I decided I could be another JH :)

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 04/11/2007 at 19:47

Speeding - what not to claim in court - ijws15
Job.....

Whichever accountancy body he is a member of will take a very dim view of perjury and will probably throw him out, that itself will probably cost him his job, and any chance of another in his chosen field!
Speeding - what not to claim in court - Collos25
I think he will survive on his payoff and pension even if he is sacked whether they have bratwurst or frikadellas on the menu in prison is a different matter could be a problem for his human rights.
Speeding - what not to claim in court - MichaelR
Although I do not for one minute condone it, the amount of people who do this on a daily basis (Name somebody else on a NIP) is huge. Most people, wrongly, dont see it as perjury, it's just pretending somebody else did it.

It's wrong and he should be punished but I can't help thinking that destroying his life is a particularly fair punishment.

100mph on a 3 lane dual carriageway is not the most dangerous thing in the world in a decent car, which I assume was driving, is it?

Again, its not right and he should be punished, but given he assumed he was under threat of his driving license for a single transgression of the law, you can see where he was coming from, especially if said son doesn't drive because he's at Uni or something.