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`Respect` for cars? - oilrag
Topic,.

Considering "Respect", with regard to cars, changing definitions and social mores


"it gets respect on the road" was how my new acquaintance in conversation described his car.

I thought about that, what the definition of "respect" is, the subjectivity of it and the sinister overtones the word is gradually acquiring due to changing mores.

"the rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate" and "you salute the uniform not the incumbent"

Here in Yorkshire, the flat cap and the `know your place` attitude, still alive and well in the mid 1960`s in the clothing manufacturing industries.

I worked in one briefly before going on to further education.

The owner with his Bentley,manager with his triumph 2000 and the narcissistic owners son with his Triumph Spitfire.

The Owner (known as the `old man`) had retained an impoverished worker aged 74yrs out of kindness as they were both the same age and had been in it since the beginning.

His only job was to come in and tidy up a bit a few hours a week, it gave him social contact and meaning to his life as his wife had died just after he had retired at 65 yrs.

He had been allowed back out of kindness by the Old man.

The 20+ yrs old son though, used to really abuse him. Whenever he arrived in the yard in the Spitfire ( up to four times a day)he had him out in all weathers washing salt off the alloy wheels. I can remember us gritting our teeth at his suffering, but being unable to intervene.

About `Respect` well that was an example of it. Not in the way you had hoped though because the old `working man` used to touch his temple out of a sign of respect to the son when asked to get out into the sleet and snow to wash off those wheels.

You would have thought the `working class` (with no apologies for putting it that way as they knew their place) would have stuck together through thick and thin.
,
But here`s the belated point. One of the piece work operators was so fast, earned so much and with so little commitments ( living with parents) that he managed to buy a big Jaguar.
This put him only below the owner in terms of `car` and one would have thought respect also?
But no. He was scowled at not just by the manager and the son as he drove out of the car park (with that Cheshire cat grin) but also by the workers. "A traitor" as one of them said.

The only one to smile back to him was the owner, the `old man` who no doubt admired his enterprise and as we all knew, was above the whole `respect` issue, both for cars and social class.

Grist to the mill, for a pre course reading student, about to go off to study Psychology, sociology and social policy.

Respect for the car?

Regards ;)

(That`s a wink ;)

NB Some car models changed

Edited by oilrag on 01/11/2007 at 11:58

`Respect` for cars? - mike hannon
Well, I think I see what you're getting at...
What is your friend's car anyway? He's probably mistaken.
It hardly needs to be said that you can't buy respect, or respec' as it seems to be spelled these days, no matter what rap artists and others might suggest.
As far as on the road goes, only a fool respects a car rather than its occupant - and that respect has to be earned.
Years ago when I was a relatively well-off printer I failed to get a job I was after because, when I parked in the firm's little car park on arrival for the interview, my Merc was bigger than the boss's. I owned mine because it was cheap (to buy) and different. I wasn't looking for respect, only a job, but his thought processes obviously couldn't stretch to coping with that one.

`Respect` for cars? - OldSock
I think I agree with what you say, oilrag. It's a rather sad indictment of the social hierarchy in this country.

For my part, as Ronnie Corbett would say, "I know my place" :-)
`Respect` for cars? - L'escargot
For my part as Ronnie Corbett would say "I know my place" :-)


Me too. Incidentally, when I was a pupil at school I was content to be called a pupil. I understand that now schoolchildren expect to be referred to as students.
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L\'escargot.
`Respect` for cars? - gordonbennet
Think youre comparing old money and new money.

Bit like the traitors who are employed by new money celebrities and such social climbers, selling secrets they have become privvy to whilst in their employ.

My Father and Mother were in private service for most of their lives, and they would have died before divulging any business of their sometimes titled employers, and any reporter offering money would have been shown the business end of a pitchfork.

Having said that old money would know within 2 minutes of meeting who not to trust, so the kiss and tell types wouldn't get past the door anyway, as you say 'knowing one's place'.

So i believe the respect of vehicles you refer to maybe is shown to the type of owner not the car. Some of the wealthiest people my Father worked for had most humble vehicles to run round in, but the way they were driven and looked after made the status apparent, as did the manners of the owner and treatment of others less fortunate than themselves.

The case you speak of is unusual in my experience of growing up. The son involved should have been taught by his Father how to treat people especially an old retainer.

But maybe the Father wasn't really old money but just wealthy, the two arn't always linked.

PS. I'm working class and always will be, by definition i get up and go to work to pay my bills.
`Respect` for cars? - b308
I suspect the "respect" that your friend is taking about for his car could probably be called "fear" in old money?!

I hear others talking about the "respect" their car has in others eyes and usually their car is some sort of extremely large, ugly and daunting-looking 4x4 - they feel it commands "respect" on the roads meaning the same as that thug on the street corner wielding his knife....... "get outa my way, or else" attitude

Sad that people think they need to go to those extremes and even drive their vehicles in that manner.....
`Respect` for cars? - moonshine {P}

I work in a rented office in a building that houses many other companies.

An owner of a small but highly profitable IT company owns a ferrari. He gets my respect becuase he worked smart/hard enough to get the money to buy the car. He uses it every day and drives it in a spirited manner (it sounds great going up the road!). he is happy to talk to anyone, his staff seem happy to work for him.

The owner of the Audi Q7 'thing' gets no respect from me. To me the owner is ignorant and selfish. His car takes two of the very limited aprking spaces we have. I think of him as having no idea of style - why would anyone buy what is easily the most ugly and stupid car ever made.

`Respect` for cars? - audi dave
There's another phrase that seems to appear in adverts these days for big, mean looking, environmentally unfriendly vehicles - "substantial road presence"

Seems to me to mean - tailgate someone in this and they'll be scared out of your way.

Symptomatic of the self-centred, selfish country we are creating. Solution ? Get Jeremy Clarkson to say they're "uncool".
`Respect` for cars? - bell boy
Im with moonshine
Respect is usually a different word for you are jealous these days look at what ive attained and all that rubbish
Respect is treating everyone the same no matter what the cut of their cloth
I usually find flash geezers with flash cars are shallow have ugly girlfriends or boyfriends and have nothing in the fridge at home
Give me decent honest folk with a vehicle that gets them from a to b with no knobs anyday
ps mines a pint of heavy
`Respect` for cars? - mss1tw
What BB said. All the rubbish mentioned above is lost on me, no matter how hard Quentin in marketing tries.
`Respect` for cars? - Lud
A close friend witnessed this just off Wardour Street in the sixties. A new gold Rolls-Royce had stopped in a one-way with a queue of lesser cars building up behind it. Several large men in flash suits were indulging in a bit of horseplay on the pavement.

Eventually the queuing cars began to hoot and shout a bit. The large men in flash suits got into the Rolls-Royce, slammed it into reverse and floored it, shunting four or five of the cars into each other, then disappeared silently and very fast down the street, harsh laughter echoing in their wake.

That got a bit of respect. Or something roughly equivalent. And I use the word 'roughly' for a reason. Don't think just because people have that sort of car that they are suave and courteous.

:o{
`Respect` for cars? - SteVee
car's don't give the driver / owner respectability.
people may hate you for your car (as in the Q7 example above) - but they'll never respect you for your car.

I've known people who MUST have a BMW 5 series - and carry a picture of it in their wallet (but no pics of their kids). I wouldn't mind if they were a car enthusiast, but they just wanted bling.

At best, people ignore your car
`Respect` for cars? - madf
I find the words used in this thread .. i.e. "Hate" and "respect" a bit... how shall I put it.. inappropriate.

I don't do hate. It twists and warps people.
As for respect, I respect people for what they do.

I neither hate or respect cars.
I like or loathe some... but respect? Nope..
Nor do I hate surely the most ugly of cars produced for the past 50 years: the bewinged, befinned American Monsters of the late 1950s and early 1960s. I think them ugly, vulagr, lacking in subtelty, gross and totally OTT.. BUT I don't hate them or their drivers.

Pity is a far better description... And if you tell a car sriver you pity his/her choice of car, I can imagine it may render them speechless.
(which is the aim:-))
madf
`Respect` for cars? - BazzaBear {P}
I usually find flash geezers with flash cars are shallow have ugly girlfriends or boyfriends


If anyone was ever looking for a definition of irony, there it is.

They're shallow, but you judge them on the looks of their partner?

Edited by BazzaBear {P} on 03/11/2007 at 18:16

`Respect` for cars? - Lud
When I was what people thought of as a flash geezer with what people thought of as a flash car, my girlfriends were, er, definitely all right.

I imagine the foolish little things were attracted by all the regalia. It certainly can't have been my personality which then as now was difficult to pin down.

Of course I don't claim to be deep either. Or flash these days. Couldn't begin to afford it.
`Respect` for cars? - Tomo
I thought this might get a bit away from motoring.

Anyway, to answer the question, I respect MY cars!
`Respect` for cars? - paulb {P}
Anyway to answer the question I respect MY cars!


Yup, same here (and the bike, too). I show that respect by:

1) Keeping it reasonably clean (specifically keeping drainage channels etc unblocked)
2) Not skimping on servicing
3) Regular maintenance checks (tyres, fluids)
4) Exercising mechanical sympathy.

This is a concept that was introduced to me by my parents as "looking after your stuff". I understand it to be unfashionable in certain parts.

I couldn't care less what other people think about my car, or me. All I ask of others on the road is to behave sensibly and courteously towards me. This includes, certain people on the A24, not making the assumption that the directional indicator is a shield of steel that protects its user from all harm, and is therefore an acceptable substitute for proper rearward observation or plain common sense.

And I'm sorry, I am not going to behave deferentially towards anyone else just because their car is of some particular make or other. A brand new Maybach 62 is as subject to road traffic law as an elderly Fiesta.

/curmudgeon mode
`Respect` for cars? - oilrag
I`m more than happy to use a small van as my only transport
and never have managed to put form before function ;)

Mike, That car was a 300C. Not a friend, but a bloke i got talking to at the garage, he was picking up his wife`s Fiat. Said what do I have? I said the Punto van. He `puffed up` and said he had a 300C and it "got respect on the road".
After all those years in assessment, I had his personality down in a flash, from his presentation; all the way upwards from his shoes to his striving to maximise his height.

Judgemental? you could say that. but it works both ways and I`m entitled to a little relaxed amusement in retirement. ;)

regards
`Respect` for cars? - Sofa Spud
Did I respect JC of Top Gear more when he was driving a Bugatti Veyron across France than when he was driving a Peel P.50 microcar around the corridors of Broadcasting house?

Guess!!!

`Respect` for cars? - Sofa Spud
In fact the Bugatti Veyron and Peel P.50 share a trait, as both are ultimate cars. Nobody is likely to better either in terms of what they set out to be. In the Veyron's case, that is the ultimate high-performance car, in the P.50's case, the smallest and most basic 'car' ever seriously marketed.

SQ

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 03/11/2007 at 18:08

`Respect` for cars? - aaflyer
I respect the R&D that goes into cars. I respect the people who toil for years to get the ergonomics of a car just so, etc.

But, how can one associate respect (insofar as: 'I'll respect you because you driver car 'x' and not car 'y''?) with a car when so often they're used as status symbols and by desperate social climbers as a mark of their 'success'?

I feel too often that we associate having a large or expensive car with a person who has 'made it' in life. Surely there's more to life than sitting behind the wheel of a good car? What about a guy or girl who hates their job, gets no satisfaction from it and is bored to distraction, yet still gets a 535d for a company car? Would we still say they've made it?

A very good BBC Northern Ireland programme profiling Sir Allen McClay (Chairman of Almac - they do research in the pharmaceutical and medical sectors - worth around £300 million and who has done wonders for the NI economy) who drives an eleven-year-old Renault. When asked why, he asked the question: what sort of businessman would I be if I went and paid for a brand new car - sure it would drop thousands in the first months of ownership?
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
"still gets a 535d for a company car?"

Watch this space.
`Respect` for cars? - mike hannon
>Mike, That car was a 300C. Not a friend, but a bloke i got talking to at the garage, he was picking up his wife`s Fiat. Said what do I have? I said the Punto van. He `puffed up` and said he had a 300C and it "got respect on the road".<

Wow, what a coincidence. You must have been lucky enough to meet the legendary MTC in the flesh.
Although I guess, from the number of 300Cs actually on the road, it wasn't that much of a coincidence...
`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
Can't understand how one might respect a car. Or an electric razor, or a stapler.

Can't understand how one might respect anyone more because of the sort of car he drives.
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
You may respect me shortly.
`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
Christmas coming early, esteemed mod?

Respect for you is a given, anyway.

`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
Well, I'm "downshifitng" the Beemers going and I can't bring myself to say what I've bought - not quite instead....
`Respect` for cars? - Lud
You haven't started your bangernomic career with a couple of clapped Simca 1100s have you PU?
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
Not quite. ... -.- --- -.. .- !
`Respect` for cars? - isisalar
lud You've awoken a repressed(I can only assume)memory. I had forgotten simca's ever existed. The 1501 is without doubt the worst car I ever drove. The engine even continued on into a talbot? model I think ,equally dreadfull.RIP Simca
`Respect` for cars? - aaflyer
I know, PU - you taken the sensible option and gone for a Fiat Punto (what's wrong with that? :)

Actually thinking of going for a 2001 330 ci SE for £7995. Am I mad?

AA
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
There's a clue in my post. All be it cryptic. £50.00 to a charity of your choice if anyone apart from the Mods (who know) gets it.
`Respect` for cars? - Happy Blue!
My father used to employ 'Old John' a lovely retired bloke who had worked for a competitor and got bored so Dad employed him to keep the site tidy, wash cars, mow lawns, occasionally do his old job if there was a shortage of drivers. He drove a Beetle that was in A1 cond and we all respected him.

I may have been an only child, but I knew that I had to address all my father's staff politely, otherwise they would not work for me when I 'took over'. Sadly the business was sold before I could take control, but I worked long and hard enough during the school holidays to know that the staff would have coped with me at the helm.

Respect for cars. I meet lots of people when I am out surveying and the ones who don't pay their bills are the ones with the flashiest cars. All leased IMHO, all fur coat and no knickers. I drive what I want to drive. I could afford much more, but choose not to, as I don't want to alienate various clients, who may think I am charging too much. A Subaru is perfect. I have a very luxurious car, with all the goodies and no-one knows what it is (except half the Back Room!). It means I don't get envious stares.

I love winding up 911 drivers, especially estate agents in Cheshire. 'I have the same as you!'. They look at me as if I am mad - 'Yes, I've a flat six, water cooled, tiptronic and 4wd' and its more reliable than yours!
`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
Is it a Bentley?

`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
No.
`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
Hah! Through endeavour I've worked it out.

I've sent you an email.

But I won't squeal. It's too good a riddle.

Edited by GroovyMucker on 04/11/2007 at 21:16

`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
Choose your charity that man. Skoda Roomster Scout....yes indeed from a 40k saloon into a shopping trolley - its all part of a cunning plan !
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
Endeavour - yes very good, well worked out - RESPECT !

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 04/11/2007 at 21:23

`Respect` for cars? - Happy Blue!
How did you work it out? I'm very impressed, and also with PU for chooing a Skoda
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
Endeavour and you shall find Espada
`Respect` for cars? - Happy Blue!
Endeavour - Inspector Morse's first name....so?

Check out my post of 18:19 very carefully and it will become apparent

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 04/11/2007 at 21:32

`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
tinyurl.com/3x83sv - it's very kind of you, and £50 will go a long way out there ...

or the SBA, just in case ... !
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
My cheque will be in the Post tomorrow.....they don't take paypal do they ?
`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
they don't take paypal do they ?


Sadly not.

I'll post it tomorrow recorded -i'll e-mail you the tracking number

Edited by Pugugly {P} on 04/11/2007 at 21:57

`Respect` for cars? - GroovyMucker
I'll post it tomorrow recorded -i'll e-mail you the tracking number


I'll be gravely offended if you do. If I can't trust another BRoomer ...

`Respect` for cars? - Happy Blue!
Sorry - looking at the wrong post and missed the Morse code! I'm such an idiot - but then if you read my other thread about being harrasedby two small boys, you;ll know why.
`Respect` for cars? - mss1tw
How did you work it out?


Morse code innit?
`Respect` for cars? - Murphy The Cat
Wow what a coincidence. You must have been lucky enough to meet the legendary MTC
in the flesh.
Although I guess from the number of 300Cs actually on the road it wasn't that
much of a coincidence...


I can't remember ever meeting someone in those circumstances and it doesn't sound like something that I'd do - but stranger things happen at sea :), :)

I did have an 'old boy' telling me that his father "had a couple of Bentleys like yours in his time, are they still as good ?" at the weekend - and he was such a nice chap that it didn't seem like good form to correct him.
MTC
`Respect` for cars? - Avant
"it's all part of a cunning plan !"

I suspect, PU, that (per the other thread) on retiremement you'll be starting a business or pursuing a hobby that the Roomster Scout will be useful for - and then you'll treat yourself to something less rational - say, an E-type, or 911, or something Italina and classically exotic.

Keeping to the thread - anyone who can retire at 49 has my respect!
`Respect` for cars? - mike hannon
If you rub two Roomster Scouts together will you start a fire?
`Respect` for cars? - Pugugly {P}
Here we go - not had much grief in work, there was a pregnant pause when I told the guy at the BMW dealership, that's the nearest I've come to a negative comment !