Carrying on from the scotland thread and loopy drivers,can anyone explain to me why people would drive to an area of outstanding beauty ,have a picnic wrap their rubbish in a supermarket carrier bag and then throw it out of the car window?
I just cannot get my head round the fact they can actually do this.
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They're trying to give the place that homely, lived-in look bb. Empty countryside looks a bit bleak. May contain wild beasts.
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your probably right lud they are trying to make it look like their own home and garden perhaps?
wonder if they have an old avenger in one corner rotting and no wheels on?
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Having been to the lakes this week what struck me was the general cleanliness, not I fear down to civilized behaviour by visitors but by a great deal of effort to keep the place clean. What disappointed me was the mess created by smokers in public places (especially around seating in public spaces) discarded fag ends everywhere, sadly a by product of the new regs surrounding smoking I fear. What is wrong with people ? If they want to smoke I have no problem with it but why pollute the areas with this horrid by-product.
Lay byes were generally clean and tidy but I saw some fly-tipping. Be interesting to know what level of enforcement takes place, especially as the police have power to seize vehicles used in fly-tipping.
Police now have specific fixed penalty powers for litter including fag ends (now specified in the Act)
at £80.00 a throw. My local (ruralish) BCU issued 25 tickets for this offence in the year to last April (found out through FOI request).
Woodbines and some others may know the area I'm talking about when I say that the Northbound A55 through Anglesey has a number of laybyes they are horribly squalid through litter and fly tipping by motorists and there are no-bins. One of the ones we stopped in on the way to Holyhead last year stank of urine.....how does the local authority live with itself ?
By the way a litter bin costs £8.00 a week to empty. (sadly I know that)
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..Northbound A55 through Anglesey has a number of laybyes they are horribly squalid..
Not only the lay-bys Pug. I'm sure a good part of the budget goes on restoring road signs where the English version has been spray-canned out, next to 'English Out' graffiti. I'm (technically!) half-Scots, half-Welsh , (but born & grown in London!) so have no particular axe to grind on this. The local authorities in N.Wales have a great natural resource of fantastic & dramatic countryside/scenery, but seem unable to recognise the twin blights of unsympathetic urban/industrial planning & poor environmental 'maintenance' damage perceptions & blight the only real industry in this region: tourism.
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there's a place in Dartmoor where you can drive to a scenic river and walk up it for a couple of miles on tarmac to a dam.......it's quite popular in the summer.
on a recent visit i noticed signs re picking up your dog doo-doo.....(fair enough), but no bins.. none whatsoever not even for normal rubbish. .....the toilets had a sign saying not to leave your dog faeces there, so obviously people had done that.
i do think that the local authority/ national park need to be realistic on this..... not many people would take dog carp home with them, would they.
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That's funny we just thought this yesterday. Every so often there is a carrier bag with the handles tied in a knot. I suspect a lot of it is foreign and agency type lorry drivers. Near me there is a very wide residential street which has a cemetery on one side and a DIY store car park on the other.
At night foreign lorries have taken to parking there with the curtains closed, and in the morning there are these carrier bags of rubbish in the gutter and pavement. I will complain to the useless council soon.
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Not to mention the pee filled bottles at the roadside !
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"I suspect a lot of it is foreign and agency type lorry drivers"
Odd then, that it doesn't seem to happen in France even when lorries are parked up on weekends when they are not on the roads.
I'm afraid that there are two things that strike us when we return from hols on the continent
1. The appalling congestion on our roads and motorways
2. The immense amount of litter beside (and on central reservation!) of our roads.
(Oh, and third, how carp our motorway services are!)
We were stuck behind a minibus in a jam on the M25 on our return and a succession of MuckDonalds wrappers, cartons etc were deposited on the road from the windows in front of us. I was tempted to pick them up, shove them back through the window and say "I think you lost this" but my wife dissuaded (sp?) me by saying they might also deposit a fist in my gob or a knife in my ribs. On the other hand, she has also been known to pick up a discarded wrapper, fag packet etc in front of the person who has discarded it and say pointedly "It's OK I'll put it in the bin for you" and on my annual trip up Snowdon with a party of school kids we set a target that each child must come back with ten pieces of litter they have picked up - it's a very easy target to achieve!
We are a very untidy nation!
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It's a sign of the times. Moral standards generally are quite low. I think the only way to get things to improve is for there to be a policy of zero tolerance (to sort out the parents), and for corporal punishment of transgressing children (both in the home and at school) to return. It has to start at an early age. It all comes down to what you were taught was acceptable and what was wrong when you were young.
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I think the only way to get things to improve is for there to be a policy of zero tolerance (to sort out the parents) and for corporal punishment of transgressing children (both in the home and at school) to return. It has to start at an early age. It all comes down to what you were taught was acceptable and what was wrong when you were young.--
thank goodness for some common sense.......it won't happen of course, the liberal agenda has been too firmly implemented.
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corporal punishment of transgressing children (both in the home and at school)
Corporal punishment is still legal at home. If the anti-corporal-punishment lobby believe that "children are unbeatable", perhaps, on the grounds that the "I blame the parents" school of thinking is correct, if children seriously mis-behave at school, one of the parents should receive the corporal punishment. They could be picked up by a police car and driven to the school for the punishment to be inflicted.
That last sentence was a desperate attempt to make this motoring -related :-)
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>I just cannot get my head round the fact they can actually do this
I wonder if it's 'solidarity' with the litter pickers i.e. keep them in a job.
By the way I think they do a great job, just wish there were twice as many of them.
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